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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Wine Still Life with alu Flek 35/2.8 Reply with quote
I had this idea browsing through advertisements in magazines and I thought how I'd like to present a classic red wine like this french Caubernet-Sauvignon.

The good thing about being a collector is the enormous amount of props I could have at hands for a portfolio shot like this one.

Shot with my old alu Carl zeiss Jena Flektogon 35/2.8, wonderful wide lens.



PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
That is an amazing shot Alessandro!
Well thought out.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
maddog10 wrote:
That is an amazing shot Alessandro!
Well thought out.


Mike, either that, or he simply got lucky, it can happen... Laughing

Beautiful shot, Alessandro, superb lighting! Smile

Bill


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
maddog10 wrote:
That is an amazing shot Alessandro!
Well thought out.


Mike, either that, or he simply got lucky, it can happen... Laughing



LOL Laughing I can assure you that luck doesn't play any role in the image above, it took me about 2 hours to prepare the set, despite there's a single light (the candle), and another one of postprocessing.
Maybe I'll post the screenshot of this image in Photoshop with all the levels open.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alessandro, my one leetle niggle on this is that it would've been cool to
have the lantern light illuminate the wine, of course that might've created
another subset of problems. As it is, it could be black ink in the goblet,
anything dark. I didn't know Nicole Kidman owned a winery...

Still a superb shot, though, don't get me wrong, your godhood is still in
place! Laughing


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
Alessandro, my one leetle niggle on this is that it would've been cool to
have the lantern light illuminate the wine, of course that might've created
another subset of problems. As it is, it could be black ink in the goblet,
anything dark. I didn't know Nicole Kidman owned a winery...

Still a superb shot, though, don't get me wrong, your godhood is still in
place! Laughing


Do you prefer this version?



PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, I do! Now you can tell there's some "ruby red" in the goblet! Smile

Probably too late, you've already drunk all the wine, but moving the goblet closer and to the right where the wine is in the epicenter of the light might yield some cool results. Probably screw up the nice comp, though, which
would be a shame.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
Yes, I do! Now you can tell there's some "ruby red" in the goblet! Smile


LOL, I cheated a bit because the yellow light turns ruby red very "blackish". Thanks God there's Photoshop (and the good habit to save tiff with open levels).


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You beat me to it before I could post my edit, but yes, this second version
is the winner for me! Do you like it?

Bill


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
You beat me to it before I could post my edit, but yes, this second version
is the winner for me! Do you like it?

Bill


Thanks, I also like it more. Moving the goblet rightly behind the candle light isn't a good idea, believe me because I tried it Wink Apart that the composition is stronger now with shadow/light balance playing a nice role in the glass subject, you also will have a nightmare of reflexes (I already had to clone out a lot of them in the original shot, probably using a real crystal glass would have helped, exactly like with lens Laughing )


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing Yes, my idea of moving the goblet, very bad idea. Wink The comp
is perfect the way it is. Is this an advert for a wine you're working up? Just curious.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
Laughing Yes, my idea of moving the goblet, very bad idea. Wink The comp
is perfect the way it is. Is this an advert for a Paul Masson wine you're
working up? Just curious.


Nope, it's just a shot to put in my portfolio.
An art director would have surely made me lit the scene with 6 600 w/s flashes, I could bet about it Laughing


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Flashes would've ruined it! Shocked I was trying to tell by the label if this
was a merlot, and if so, how does it compare to the excellent Australian?


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It does take some serious work to get a composition like this.

Lots of patience - try this, try that, make it just that little bit better. And there is the business of composition, which doesn't come out of any book, thats art.

Not my style at all, for this, like serious macro, I haven't got the patience or the ability. But I immensely respect those who can.

The thing looks a bit like a scene out of Kubrik - Barry Lyndon. Besides the antique subjects, its all in the candle.

Interesting article on how Kubrik filmed in candlelight - with specially adapted lenses -

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/sk/ac/len/page1.htm


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
luisalegria wrote:
The thing looks a bit like a scene out of Kubrik - Barry Lyndon. Besides the antique subjects, its all in the candle.


Damn, you got it before than me. I read two weeks ago about the Zeiss lenses used in Barry Lyndon. Then last weekend I was in Rome and saw again some Caravaggio paintings. It's curious how an idea starts to build up, I didn't realize it completely until you pointed it out.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
my lcd must be really badly adjusted as I see a floating wine label and a half glass
I even don't see differences between the 2 versions
the technicals impress me, one candle light source and nice flare control
but as a whole, it doesn't work for me


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
Flashes would've ruined it! Shocked I was trying to tell by the label if this
was a merlot, and if so, how does it compare to the excellent Australian?


It's a french Cabernet Sauvignon, pretty different from Merlot. Australian Merlot is pretty good indeed, I still prefer italian and french ones though, but there's huge differences in taste (and prices) between the various producers.


PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:
my lcd must be really badly adjusted as I see a floating wine label and a half glass
I even don't see differences between the 2 versions
the technicals impress me, one candle light source and nice flare control
but as a whole, it doesn't work for me


I guess it's time you get a screen calibrator and adjust your LCD gamma, just think that in this image the final luminosity output level is from 3 to 252 (it's an habit I got from various stock image banks so that any image can be fully visible against pure black or white).


PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
A G Photography wrote:

It's a french Cabernet Sauvignon, pretty different from Merlot. Australian Merlot is pretty good indeed, I still prefer italian and french ones though, but there's huge differences in taste (and prices) between the various producers.



Thanks, Alessandro, and yes, even some scratching rustic from the outback of northern Idaho knows there's a difference between the two.Laughing I thought this might be a blend, a Cab Merlot, probably anathema to purists. My knowledge of wine is superficial on a good day, (I keep drinking it and forgetting what I've learned Wink ) and my knowledge of Italian wine is almost nil, aside from Amontillado sherry made famous by Edgar Alan Poe. French wines are expensive over here and we have to console ourselves with the offerings out of California. Wink Well, at least some of us do...

Barry Lyndon is one of my favorite movies, score is magnificent, which
almost makes up for Ryan O' Neal's abominable performance (I think
Harvard Lampoon gave him worst actor of the year award for '75). The
candlelit scenes were indeed a milestone--ah, Kubrick, you're missed.

Thanks for sharing this picture, and the reminiscence.

Bill


PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
and my knowledge of Italian wine is almost nil, aside from Amontillado sherry made famous by Edgar Alan Poe.


I am not a sophisticated wine expert (I only drink our local country wines: Gutturnio, Bonarda, Malvasia), but... isn't the Amontillado a Spanish liquor?


PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Katastrofo wrote:
and my knowledge of Italian wine is almost nil, aside from Amontillado sherry made famous by Edgar Alan Poe.


I am not a sophisticated wine expert (I only drink our local country wines: Gutturnio, Bonarda, Malvasia), but... isn't the Amontillado a Spanish liquor?


Yep, although it's classified as liquorous wine (just like Porto or Marsala).

Orio, try Barbera Frizzante in Cremona, just over the great river from you.


PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
A G Photography wrote:

Orio, try Barbera Frizzante in Cremona, just over the great river from you.


I have heard of it but never tried it, I am sure I will like it, since I like the Gutturnio (which is 55% Barbera and 45% Bonarda)


PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Katastrofo wrote:
and my knowledge of Italian wine is almost nil, aside from Amontillado sherry made famous by Edgar Alan Poe.


I am not a sophisticated wine expert (I only drink our local country wines: Gutturnio, Bonarda, Malvasia), but... isn't the Amontillado a Spanish liquor?


Yes, it is. Embarassed I did say my knowledge was almost nil, but nil works, too. Laughing I think Poe, ( the story is an example of a narrator who is unreliable) talks of taking Fortunato (victim) back to his palazzo. I think that is where I went wrong. "Amontillado" is certainly a Spanish-sounding name. I am not a big fan of sherry, regardless of brand.

Orio, I've never seen the country wines you mentioned, maybe a large
boozitorium would have them, but I haven't been inside one of those places in 20 years. Or do they export these wines at all?

Thanks for the correction (I'm spiralling down in flames). Laughing


PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
A G Photography wrote:

Orio, try Barbera Frizzante in Cremona, just over the great river from you.


I have heard of it but never tried it, I am sure I will like it, since I like the Gutturnio (which is 55% Barbera and 45% Bonarda)


Same mix, probably different proportions.

Katastrofo wrote:
Thanks for the correction (I'm spiralling down in flames)


You'll spend the eternity in hell drinking tasteless Bud beer. God loves wine Twisted Evil


PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:

Orio, I've never seen the country wines you mentioned, maybe a large
boozitorium would have them, but I haven't been inside one of those places in 20 years. Or do they export these wines at all?


They are the wines of my area, not snobbish wines that Michelin guide experts taste with the spoon and the bib... they are popular wines that real people drink everyday. Maybe not enough "high class" to be exported, I don't know.
Attila tried them when he was here, I also brought him a couple bottles to Budapest when I visited there.

A couple info links (you will need to use translators):

Bonarda:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colli_Piacentini_Bonarda
http://www.vinimossi.com/bonarda_doc_pd_11.htm
http://www.bonarda.it/

Gutturnio:
http://www.vinipiacentini.net/vinipiacentini/gutturnio.php
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colli_Piacentini_Gutturnio
http://www.vinimossi.com/gutturnio_classico_e_classico_superiore_pd_14.htm

Malvasia:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malvasia
http://www.vinipiacentini.net/degustazioni/degustazioneML.php

A special wine that is made at the castle of Vigoleno which is about 10 km from my hometown, is the Vin Santo di Vigoleno:
http://www.vinipiacentini.net/storia/vin_santo_vigoleno.php
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