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casualcollector
Joined: 01 Aug 2008 Posts: 749 Location: Spaced out on Florida's Space Coast
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:09 am Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
Great value on an interesting camera. Well made, like all Canons of its time. Adapting the lenses to anything else would require dismantling the camera to remove the rear elements. _________________ In Search Of "R" Serial Soligors
Found: 135/2.8 #R407660, 200/4 #R405526, 300/5.5 #R411127 |
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harry tibi
Joined: 11 Nov 2011 Posts: 58 Location: nl
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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harry tibi wrote:
Drack wrote: |
Just buy a factory made one on ebay. This way you`ll save the camera and have a better quality adapter. |
Yeah, I'd love to find a cheap Chinese adapter for these lenses, but that's not going to happen. Like on the Topcon Unirex, Rolleiflex SL26 and the Contaflex, half the lens remains on the camera; only the first half can be changed. So in order to be able to use these lenses on another camera (the Nex in my case), I'll have to dismantle (OK, I used the word 'butcher', but 'dismantle' sounds more subtle) the camera to build an adapter myself. And don't worry, I've been doing that for some of the camera's mentioned above I know how it works...
Still I can't find much on the net about the quality of these lenses. In general, these compiled lenses are compromises between flexibility and lens quality. Anyone? |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Drack wrote: |
Well it`s a great deal, wonderful actually, but destroying the camera in order to make an adapter sound silly. Just buy a factory made one on ebay. This way you`ll save the camera and have a better quality adapter. |
+10 _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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harry tibi
Joined: 11 Nov 2011 Posts: 58 Location: nl
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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harry tibi wrote:
Oooh, I didn't make myself clear: there are no ready made adapters for this type of camera and there NEVER will be!
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:43 am Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
harry tibi wrote: |
I found a Canon EX Auto, with 1.8/50, 3.5/35 and 3.5/125, body and 50 mm in good working order, the 35
and 125 mm pristine, like new. I couldn't leave it in the shop, so I picked it all up for 16 euro. Major question: is it any good?
Is it worth my while to butcher the body to build an adapter for my Nex? |
Harry, the price you paid seems great value for what you got, especially as you have the whole set, but because the camera
can only be used with its dedicated lenses and the lenses are no use on any other camera then I think probably only
collectors will be interested. There's one on Ebay right now with just the 50 lens, at $100 BIN, but I think that might be very
hopeful.
Click here to see on Ebay
I agree it's a shame to damage the camera. I think if I was in your place I would try to find out what sort of interest it might
attract as a complete set. You never know, there might be many collectors looking for the lenses. But if interest is weak then
it's far better to use the lenses rather than have them sitting on a shelf. Making an adapter for NEX is a great idea if you can
do it, but from the camera specs it sounds fairly problematic. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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harry tibi
Joined: 11 Nov 2011 Posts: 58 Location: nl
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:17 am Post subject: |
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harry tibi wrote:
Yeah, I think you're right. There's only limited interest for this particular camera, I'm sure. There are millions of AE-1's with lenses lying around that are easier to find and much easier to adapt. Still, the construction of these splittable lenses might be interesting from an optic kind of view; I'm sure this Teletessar kind of 3.5/125 lens will deliver another kind of image than the FD 3.5 or 2.8/135. I'll be thinking about dismantling. In the mean time I could check if there's any interest among collectors. Thanks! |
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Drack
Joined: 27 Feb 2011 Posts: 735 Location: Lithuania
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Drack wrote:
If there are no factory made adapters for this type of lenses than yes, your only way is to make one yourself. However it seems to be a waste of a good camera ( if it`s a working one ) to simply use it on parts. I`d probably try to find one that is already broken and butcher that one. _________________ I have many great Russian cameras and lenses for sale on my ebay account, please check it out: http://www.ebay.com/sch/piksius/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_trksid=p3686
Forum members are olbigaded to a discount
DSLR: Pentax K-x + 18-55 kit + f4 35-75mm
Mirrorless : Samsung NX-20 + 18-55 kit
M42 lense: Helios 44-2 , Helios 44-3, Helios 44m , Tair 3 Phs , Mir-1B , Jupiter-37a, Industar 50-2, Industar 61 L/Z, Tlear-N .
Currently using:
Minolta X-700 + MD f1.7/50mm + Rokkor-X f2.8/28mm + MD f3.5 35-70mm MACRO
Zorki-4K + J-8 f2/50mm + J-12 f2.8/35mm
EXA 1A + CZJ Tessar f2.8/50mm |
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gmonkman1
Joined: 08 Jun 2011 Posts: 45 Location: se of Winnipeg Manitoba
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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gmonkman1 wrote:
Hmmm? It is very difficult for a servant to serve two masters.
One master (the photographer) says "it is only the image that is meaningful."
The other master (the gear collector) says "the equipment must be worshipped "
Only you will decide what you are and let one master gain control of your heart.
In the end realizing that you can never take it with you. |
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2187 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
harry tibi wrote: |
Yeah, I think you're right. There's only limited interest for this particular camera, I'm sure. There are millions of AE-1's with lenses lying around that are easier to find and much easier to adapt. Still, the construction of these splittable lenses might be interesting from an optic kind of view; I'm sure this Teletessar kind of 3.5/125 lens will deliver another kind of image than the FD 3.5 or 2.8/135. I'll be thinking about dismantling. In the mean time I could check if there's any interest among collectors. Thanks! |
Being able to use those lenses on digital is a great possibility, but, before you sacrifice the body in order to build an adapter, keep in mind what peter said some post above: from the camera specs it seems it could be a quite complicate - if possible - work.
I mean, probably it will Not be like making a contax rd adapter using an old kiev, so maybe, the risk could be ending up with broken camera + still non usable lenses. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
Samples from my lenses
My gear
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Aanything wrote: |
harry tibi wrote: |
Yeah, I think you're right. There's only limited interest for this particular camera, I'm sure. There are millions of AE-1's with lenses lying around that are easier to find and much easier to adapt. Still, the construction of these splittable lenses might be interesting from an optic kind of view; I'm sure this Teletessar kind of 3.5/125 lens will deliver another kind of image than the FD 3.5 or 2.8/135. I'll be thinking about dismantling. In the mean time I could check if there's any interest among collectors. Thanks! |
Being able to use those lenses on digital is a great possibility, but, before you sacrifice the body in order to build an adapter, keep in mind what peter said some post above: from the camera specs it seems it could be a quite complicate - if possible - work.
I mean, probably it will Not be like making a contax rd adapter using an old kiev, so maybe, the risk could be ending up with broken camera + still non usable lenses. |
Yes. For anyone who hasn't bothered to look at this camera, the rear lens group is a permanent part of the camera. The
front group can be unscrewed and changed to choose the focal length. The diaphragm is a permanent part of the camera,
not the lens, and the aperture control is on the top plate, around the rewind crank. This is why I think it could possibly be
quite difficult to built an adapter with a usable aperture. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Lightshow
Joined: 04 Nov 2011 Posts: 3666 Location: Calgary
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Lightshow wrote:
+1 If the body still works, find a non-working body to "dismantle".
I picked up this:
P. Angenieux 135/2.5 Type P2
$100 _________________ A Manual Focus Junky...
One photographers junk lens is an artists favorite tool.
My lens list
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lightshow-photography/ |
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Billou
Joined: 01 Feb 2013 Posts: 169 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Billou wrote:
Hello guys ! Long time reader, but first post ! Thanks for the great forum, it helped me building a nice collection of vintage glass !!
Two good deals for me, last year on a flea market a Revue 135mm f/2.8 with a Schneider-Kreuznach Xenon 50 f/1.9 in M42 (never saw that anywhere) for 5 euros, and recently a Topcon RE2 with the 35/2.8, 58/1.4, 100/2.8 and 135/3.5 for 190 euros on ebay. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Billou wrote: |
Hello guys ! Long time reader, but first post ! Thanks for the great forum, it helped me building a nice collection of vintage glass !!
Two good deals for me, last year on a flea market a Revue 135mm f/2.8 with a Schneider-Kreuznach Xenon 50 f/1.9 in M42 (never saw that anywhere) for 5 euros, and recently a Topcon RE2 with the 35/2.8, 58/1.4, 100/2.8 and 135/3.5 for 190 euros on ebay. |
Welcome! Thank you to joining us, look forward your contributions! _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
harry tibi wrote: |
Drack wrote: |
Just buy a factory made one on ebay. This way you`ll save the camera and have a better quality adapter. |
Yeah, I'd love to find a cheap Chinese adapter for these lenses, but that's not going to happen. Like on the Topcon Unirex, Rolleiflex SL26 and the Contaflex, half the lens remains on the camera; only the first half can be changed. So in order to be able to use these lenses on another camera (the Nex in my case), I'll have to dismantle (OK, I used the word 'butcher', but 'dismantle' sounds more subtle) the camera to build an adapter myself. And don't worry, I've been doing that for some of the camera's mentioned above I know how it works...
Still I can't find much on the net about the quality of these lenses. In general, these compiled lenses are compromises between flexibility and lens quality. Anyone? |
The Topcon Unirex doesn't have any glass elements in the body, the reason it is hard to adapt is the aperture ring is on the body, but it's simple to remove. I made an adapter to NEX from a broken Uni. Wasn't wroth the hassle, the Topcon UV lenses are not so great. I also took the rear element from a broken Contaflex as I had the 35 and 85mm Pantars. It was very hard to make the adapter from it and again, wasn't worth the hassle as the lenses were not great. I expect the same will be true of the Canon EX - not worth the hassle because the lenses will not be so great, this was a budget system and if you look around the net at comments, people say the Camera is pleasant to use but the lenses are nothing special. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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harry tibi
Joined: 11 Nov 2011 Posts: 58 Location: nl
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:08 am Post subject: |
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harry tibi wrote:
Thanks Ian, I appreciate your contribution to the subject. I already feared the lenses aren't that good, but you can't be too sure; it's Canon's first step into a new market. Maybe I should shoot a roll of film first; I'm sure everything works fine.
Thanks everybody! |
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Marco cavina
Joined: 19 Jan 2013 Posts: 7 Location: Faenza (Italy)
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Marco cavina wrote:
Several bargains in a lifetime, this in one of them: in November 2006 I had what can be seen in this picture (including the Leitz Fokos rangefinder) for a mere 150 Euros (with lenses freshly serviced).
_________________ Married to photography and addicted by it's story and secrets.
my actual hardware here
http://www.marcocavina.com/attrezzatura_fotografica.htm |
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Phenix jc
Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Posts: 398 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Phenix jc wrote:
Marco cavina wrote: |
Several bargains in a lifetime, this in one of them: in November 2006 I had what can be seen in this picture (including the Leitz Fokos rangefinder) for a mere 150 Euros (with lenses freshly serviced).
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Hats off, Sir !
We all know your name and work ! _________________ "Plonger les choses dans la lumière, c'est les plonger dans l'infini" Léonard De Vinci
f/1.2 club Zuiko : 50/1.2, 55/1.2 Rokkor : 50/1.2, 58/1.2 Nikkor : 50/1.2, 55/1.2 Third Party : Porst(Fujinon-X) 50/1.2, Porst 55/1.2 Canon : S 50/1.2, nFD 50/1.2, FL 55/1.2, R 58/1.2, nFD 85/1.2 Hexanon : 57/1.2 Nokton : 50/1.1 |
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TijmenDal
Joined: 22 Sep 2011 Posts: 206
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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TijmenDal wrote:
Wow Marco! That's amazing! Good job! _________________ //Tijmen
http://cargocollective.com/tijmendal |
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Andreq
Joined: 30 May 2011 Posts: 184 Location: Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Andreq wrote:
I'm back home with a "like new used once" set consisting of :
1 x Tamron 28mm 2.5 BBAR MC
1 x Adaptall-PK adapter
1 x L-06 Hardcase
for $20 CAD _________________ Body : Canon 5d Mark II, Canon 50d
Lenses : Carl Zeiss Planar 50mm f1.4 T*, Tamron 17mm f3.5, Rexagon 28mm f2.8, Rikenon 55mm f1.4, Prakticar Pentacon 135mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Planar 50mm f1.7 T*, Promaster Spectrum7 70-210mm f4, Bell and Howell 28mm f2.8, Yashica Yashinon-DX 50mm f1.4, Nikon Series E 50mm f1.8, Vivitar 90-230mm f4.5 Close Focusing, Super-Takumar 55mm f2, Yashica 75-200mm f4.5 Macro 1:4, Canon "kit lens" 18-55 |
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Drack
Joined: 27 Feb 2011 Posts: 735 Location: Lithuania
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Drack wrote:
Andreq wrote: |
I'm back home with a "like new used once" set consisting of :
1 x Tamron 28mm 2.5 BBAR MC
1 x Adaptall-PK adapter
1 x L-06 Hardcase
for $20 CAD |
Very nice. These PK adapters are rather expensive. Good find _________________ I have many great Russian cameras and lenses for sale on my ebay account, please check it out: http://www.ebay.com/sch/piksius/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_trksid=p3686
Forum members are olbigaded to a discount
DSLR: Pentax K-x + 18-55 kit + f4 35-75mm
Mirrorless : Samsung NX-20 + 18-55 kit
M42 lense: Helios 44-2 , Helios 44-3, Helios 44m , Tair 3 Phs , Mir-1B , Jupiter-37a, Industar 50-2, Industar 61 L/Z, Tlear-N .
Currently using:
Minolta X-700 + MD f1.7/50mm + Rokkor-X f2.8/28mm + MD f3.5 35-70mm MACRO
Zorki-4K + J-8 f2/50mm + J-12 f2.8/35mm
EXA 1A + CZJ Tessar f2.8/50mm |
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guardian
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 1746
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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guardian wrote:
Just received a nice Konica Hexanon AR 28mm f3.5 five element lens. It came with a couple of filters and a Konica TC camera for US$28.
I have sharper seven element versions of this lens. Today's lens was bought to obtain:
Better coatings, smaller size, and lower weight. And it's still a sharp lens.
The target camera for this lens is the smaller, lighter, m4/3 cameras. Today's lens is not a pancake lens . . . but it's close. It's a lot closer than the earlier seven element version of this same lens. Anyway, was lucky. Lens is in very nice shape! |
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kyonthinh
Joined: 30 Mar 2012 Posts: 222 Location: Germany
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kyonthinh wrote:
1000ft of Kodak Vision 3 250D Recan from Malavita for 80 bucks, cant be happier. |
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kyonthinh
Joined: 30 Mar 2012 Posts: 222 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:53 am Post subject: |
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kyonthinh wrote:
Well, more stuff's coming, a Bronica ETR with 2 AE finders, 120 back, Zenzanon 75 2.8 EII and 150 3.5 MC, all for 195 bucks. |
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kennethwfd
Joined: 05 Dec 2011 Posts: 15
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:30 pm Post subject: best bargains |
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kennethwfd wrote:
Ohnar slide duplicator on Freecycle cost me.... zero. Cimko 80 - 200 99p from that auction site. Just received this & am well pleased with test results from it, using the Ohnar to convert my slides to digital |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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cooltouch wrote:
Welp, it's been almost a year since the last time I posted a haul here. I've had a few decent ones since. Most recently I found in a second hand "Thrift" store a very clean Minolta XG-M with MD Rokkors 50mm f/2 and 135mm f/3.5, plus an MD-1 motor drive. Everything is in very clean shape. Paid $6 for the lot. I'm probably gonna play around with the XG-M some before I sell it.
I happened to be scanning through the cameras section of Craigslist one day early last summer and ran across a Canon A-1 outfit and with a brief mention of it having a Spiratone bellows. So right away I call the guy, and he tells me that the A-1 has been sold but that everything else was still there. So I had a look at what was left. There was a Sun 24-40, a Canon FD 35-70mm f/2.8-3.5 SSC, and a Canon FD 100-200 f/5.6 SC, along with a typical assortment of kit bag stuff. Oh, and a Spiratone Bellows-Master SST bellows with 150mm Spiratone macro lens attached. The Bellows Master, made by Hama, is a device I've wanted ever since I saw it in a Spiratone ad back probably in 1984 or so. It has full movements -- tilt, shift, swing, rise/fall. It's really a well-made piece of kit.
Price? Well, after considerable hemming and hawing about the poor condition of the 20-40 (the rear mount was loose) and how the 100-200 had the value of a door-stop, I offered the guy $125 for everything, and he took it. Besides the Spiratone bellows, which aren't going anywhere, I'm gonna keep that Sun 24-40 for a while at least. The guy told me that the lens was so sharp he almost never took it off his camera anymore. So it might be worth hanging on to.
Then several months later -- late summer by then, I run across another ad in Craigslist. This guy's selling a Canon FD outfit for a friend who's out of the country and just wants to see it gone. I think this guy's friend just told him to take whatever offer he was given, cuz I made some pretty low offers and he accepted them all. So anyway, from him, I picked up a dead Canon A-1 (I knew it was dead going in), a dead Vivitar 285 (didn't know it was dead, but used it as a bargaining tool once I found out it was), a Canon Motor Drive MA, a Canon FD 24mm f/2.8 SSC, a Canon FD 50mm f/1.4 SSC, an 85mm f/1.8 New FD, a New FD 35-105 f/3.5-4.5, and a New FD 70-210mm f/4. All the lenses came with Canon hoods. And it all fit into a really sharp looking, large camera bag. A "Tough Traveler" brand from Schenectady, NY. So, all the lenses looked like they'd been babied -- they were super clean. The A-1 looked like it had been rode hard and put up wet. The Motor Drive MA looked awful internally, but I felt I could probably deal with the heavy corrosion and bring it back. The 285 was a useful only as a bargaining chip, but the guy was so agreeable I didn't really need it. Actually, bargaining was almost embarassingly easy. I paid the guy $150 for everything. Yeah, I know.
And most recently, I bid on and won a small FD kit on eBay. The kit consisted of a Canon T90 with 50mm lens, and a Sunpak flash. The seller represented the T90 as working fine, but it wasn't. It had the dreaded "click-click" they get when they get to be about this old. I didn't care about the flash, although it did work. Surprise. I did care -- a lot -- for the lens, though. Cuz it's a 55mm f/1.2. Because of the way the seller had positioned his gear in his photos, only one showed a blurry "55mm". And it looked to be about the right size of a 1.2. The auction was getting no bidding activity until a couple of minutes before close, and then suddenly somebody entered a bid. Man, I was pissed. I figured the lens had gotten discovered. But I hung in there and entered my max bid during the final 10 seconds, the way I always do, and I ended up outbidding the other guy, whose max bid was only $10 more than what he'd entered. So I got the T90, an FD 50mm f/1.2, and a Sunpak flash for $150. But the T90 was busted, so I contacted the seller, explained to him that I wanted to keep everything else, and asked if he'd do a partial refund. He agreed and we settled on $90. So I got my 55mm f/1.2 FD -- a "chrome nose" pre-SSC model, btw -- for about $50, if I make a $10 allowance for the Sunpak. Not too shabby.
You know, I'm not actively attempting to collect old Canon gear; it just seems to work out that way. The stuff finds its way to me and then pleads, "take me home, please!" So what can I do? I can't just say no!
Okay, well sorry for this being so long, but I had some catching up to do. _________________ Michael
My Gear List: http://michaelmcbroom.com/photo/gear.html
My Gallery: http://michaelmcbroom.com/gallery3/index.php/
My Flickr Page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/11308754@N08/albums
My Music: https://soundcloud.com/michaelmcbroom/albums
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