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Welding Glass as 8x ND filter
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:20 pm    Post subject: Welding Glass as 8x ND filter Reply with quote

My first experiment using a welding glass. What do you think? The image would have been much better if I still have a 5D to mate with my 21mm Zuiko. Confused

Before - No filter


After - 8x Welding Glass Filter



Without the artificial LR - grain added




Camera Model: E-510
Focal Length: 14.0mm using Zuiko kit Lens
Exposure Time: 50.000 s
Aperture: f/16.0
ISO Equiv.: 100
Processed in LR


Last edited by stingOM on Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:47 am; edited 1 time in total


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see slight loss of sharpness in 2nd one, probably not being optical glass pays its duty. Nonetheless the result is interesting, from an artistic point of view I think you hit the target.

Cheers, M.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Marty,

I figured out that the loss of sharpness was due to the simulated film grains I used in LR.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last version is definitely better, I'd say perfect. This makes the welding glass a cheaper practicable solution Smile. Are you using some kind of mount or simply hand holding the sheet in front of the lens?

M.-


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Marty,

I am using a HiTech filter holder. http://www.formatt.co.uk/Search.aspx?id=search1&s=holder

I just put the glass sitting flush in front of the holder as it does not fit and secure it with hair bands.

Some more info here (not mine):
http://huecycle.com/phototips/tutorial-making-a-neutral-density-filter-with-welding-hood-glass/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robthetog/3851671087/

BTW the cost of one of these filters is just €2-3 + postage. If you wanted a pro version it will cost you at least €120.
http://www.leefilters.com/camera/news/articles/ref:N4B8F96517C324/

-Si...


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the informative links.

M.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

#3 is much better than #2, IMO. Who needs grain? Cool

I have a couple of welding helmets. I'm sure the glass is removable although I've never tried. Guess I ought to cuz the results sure do look worthwhile.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cooltouch wrote:
#3 is much better than #2, IMO. Who needs grain? Cool

I have a couple of welding helmets. I'm sure the glass is removable although I've never tried. Guess I ought to cuz the results sure do look worthwhile.

For sure, the glass is removable - they get cracked and spattered a lot. Welding glass is also perfect for looking at solar eclipses.

edit
This reminds me to pop in to my local welding suppliers. I have one in a mask, but I'd rather leave it there.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very cheap to buy online. Here're a reliable source:
http://cgi.ebay.ie/Parweld-Welding-Lens-Lense-Glass-Helmet-Filter-Shade-8-/270612451850?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f01c2520a

They come in different shades.


More info here which I posted before in another MF forum:
http://forum.manualfocus.org/viewtopic.php?id=16555


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgot to mention to watch out for those horrible digital noise when doing long exposures, especially if you are using live view for framing. I learned the hard way and found that some of my images far too noisy.

So the best thing I think is to switch off the camera for may be 5 min once you have framed your shot and then take the shot later.


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cooltouch wrote:
#3 is much better than #2, IMO. Who needs grain? Cool

I have a couple of welding helmets. I'm sure the glass is removable although I've never tried. Guess I ought to cuz the results sure do look worthwhile.

+1


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So folks, yee folks are into the new digital "grainless" photos? Confused


PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not necessarily. I still shoot film on a regular basis, and I prefer "real" grain, not the artificial stuff.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like grain no matter film or digital.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stingOM wrote:
So folks, yee folks are into the new digital "grainless" photos? Confused

Not at all Smile. #2 is unsharp in comparison to the others, grain or not grain. A tight, sharp grain in a picture which has per se also perfect focus adds "apparent sharpness", make it to "appear" sharper in other words. In your case if you're able to make your digital filter to behave better, to get rid of unwanted side effects that is, grain can possibly to do good.

Cheers, M.