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stingOM
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: Welding Glass as 8x ND filter |
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stingOM wrote:
My first experiment using a welding glass. What do you think? The image would have been much better if I still have a 5D to mate with my 21mm Zuiko.
Before - No filter
After - 8x Welding Glass Filter
Without the artificial LR - grain added
Camera Model: E-510
Focal Length: 14.0mm using Zuiko kit Lens
Exposure Time: 50.000 s
Aperture: f/16.0
ISO Equiv.: 100
Processed in LR
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marty
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 767 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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marty wrote:
I see slight loss of sharpness in 2nd one, probably not being optical glass pays its duty. Nonetheless the result is interesting, from an artistic point of view I think you hit the target.
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stingOM
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 3168 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:48 am Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
Cheers Marty,
I figured out that the loss of sharpness was due to the simulated film grains I used in LR. |
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marty
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 767 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:15 am Post subject: |
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marty wrote:
The last version is definitely better, I'd say perfect. This makes the welding glass a cheaper practicable solution . Are you using some kind of mount or simply hand holding the sheet in front of the lens?
M.- _________________ Canon FD
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stingOM
Joined: 27 Sep 2007 Posts: 3168 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
Hi Marty,
I am using a HiTech filter holder. http://www.formatt.co.uk/Search.aspx?id=search1&s=holder
I just put the glass sitting flush in front of the holder as it does not fit and secure it with hair bands.
Some more info here (not mine):
http://huecycle.com/phototips/tutorial-making-a-neutral-density-filter-with-welding-hood-glass/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robthetog/3851671087/
BTW the cost of one of these filters is just €2-3 + postage. If you wanted a pro version it will cost you at least €120.
http://www.leefilters.com/camera/news/articles/ref:N4B8F96517C324/
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marty
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 767 Location: Italy
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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marty wrote:
Thanks for the informative links.
M. _________________ Canon FD
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
#3 is much better than #2, IMO. Who needs grain?
I have a couple of welding helmets. I'm sure the glass is removable although I've never tried. Guess I ought to cuz the results sure do look worthwhile. _________________ Michael
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Farside
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
#3 is much better than #2, IMO. Who needs grain?
I have a couple of welding helmets. I'm sure the glass is removable although I've never tried. Guess I ought to cuz the results sure do look worthwhile. |
For sure, the glass is removable - they get cracked and spattered a lot. Welding glass is also perfect for looking at solar eclipses.
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stingOM
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
Very cheap to buy online. Here're a reliable source:
http://cgi.ebay.ie/Parweld-Welding-Lens-Lense-Glass-Helmet-Filter-Shade-8-/270612451850?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f01c2520a
They come in different shades.
More info here which I posted before in another MF forum:
http://forum.manualfocus.org/viewtopic.php?id=16555 |
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stingOM
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
Forgot to mention to watch out for those horrible digital noise when doing long exposures, especially if you are using live view for framing. I learned the hard way and found that some of my images far too noisy.
So the best thing I think is to switch off the camera for may be 5 min once you have framed your shot and then take the shot later. |
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Attila
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
cooltouch wrote: |
#3 is much better than #2, IMO. Who needs grain?
I have a couple of welding helmets. I'm sure the glass is removable although I've never tried. Guess I ought to cuz the results sure do look worthwhile. |
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stingOM
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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stingOM wrote:
So folks, yee folks are into the new digital "grainless" photos? |
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cooltouch
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Not necessarily. I still shoot film on a regular basis, and I prefer "real" grain, not the artificial stuff. _________________ Michael
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Attila
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I don't like grain no matter film or digital. _________________ -------------------------------
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marty
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 767 Location: Italy
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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marty wrote:
stingOM wrote: |
So folks, yee folks are into the new digital "grainless" photos? |
Not at all . #2 is unsharp in comparison to the others, grain or not grain. A tight, sharp grain in a picture which has per se also perfect focus adds "apparent sharpness", make it to "appear" sharper in other words. In your case if you're able to make your digital filter to behave better, to get rid of unwanted side effects that is, grain can possibly to do good.
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