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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:08 am    Post subject: Pentacon six alternative Reply with quote
I have almost all P6 lenses, I found an adapter ring to Mamiya 645. Any opinion ?


PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have one of those - an unknown make, from grizzly33bear on ebay. It works pretty well.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Do you use on Mamiya ? Rb67 or similar ? Can I use on any medium format Mamiya ?


PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Do you use on Mamiya ? Rb67 or similar ? Can I use on any medium format Mamiya ?


For what I know you can use it just on old Mamiya 645, Mamiya RB and RZ 67 have a leaf shutter (and I think also a longer registration distance and wider film format, 6x7 not 6x6).


PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you!


PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I used the Pentax 645 rendition of the same adapter. Be careful about tightening it too much! Just "finger tight" is all that is necessary, Attila! Very Happy


PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kiev 88CM - its a Kiev 88 with P6 mount (so no adapter needed).
http://www.kievaholic.com/mediumformat.html


PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kieve 60,Kiev88 same low quality build , not an alternative unfortunately Sad


PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am planning to take a medium format camera, I think about Mamiya and Pentax 645 I would like to shoot lanscapes in medium format. What is your suggestion ? Budget around 300 USD , I would like to use my P6 lenses.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
I am planning to take a medium format camera, I think about Mamiya and Pentax 645 I would like to shoot lanscapes in medium format. What is your suggestion ? Budget around 300 USD , I would like to use my P6 lenses.


Mamiya and Pentax 645 are nice but the format isn't very "landscape" oriented. 6x4.5 has exactly the same proportions than the Oly 4/3, perfect for studio shots that need to be printed on magazine pages.

A real nice camera for landscapes is the Fuji GX680 whose format is 6x9 (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/gx680iii.shtml), but it's heavy, the lenses are expensive and I could not see how it could be more practical than a large format folder.

Otherway there's the Mamiya RB67 (I'd avoid the electronic RZ67 outside a studio) whose format is 6x7 with a revolvable back but it's also heavy and not so easy to use without a sturdy tripod.

A lighter one is the Pentax 67 that resembles a lot the Pentacon 6 but it coudl not use its lenses.

In all honesty the only camera I will use instead than the old Pentacon Six is the Hasselblad C or CM500.

Hard to fit in your budget though but I why couldn't you use the Pentacon Six in the meanwhile? The alternatives aren't that better.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am worry abut P6 durability, I am planning vacation around and of the year If I able to finance and I wouldn't want to see broken camera on vacation. I thought Pentax 645 more trust able, light meter is better.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
I am worry abut P6 durability, I am planning vacation around and of the year If I able to finance and I wouldn't want to see broken camera on vacation. I thought Pentax 645 more trust able, light meter is better.


I use an external light meter (that is also better for landscapes), a used Gossen Lunasix 3. P6 pentaprism is a pain because of its limited field view and I find a lot easier to use the waist level finder.

Sincerely it's cheaper for you to buy a second spare P6 camera body that something that could not satisfy you anyway. Most used medium format cameras are from pro that switched to digital so I wouldn't bet on durability of any of them to be better than P6.

I'll buy one sooner or later for the same reason.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I guess you have right, If I not satisfied I can sell easily, I will try first P6.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila, I don't know what type of vacation are you planning, but if it does not involve your car and a comfortable small environment near the hotel, I strongly suggest not to take the Pentacon Six and lenses with you. I have tried to carry them around in a bag like normal format camera. Both the size and the weight are unbearable, and you get soon tired. Not to mention the fact that if you are traveling by plane, the P6 and lenses bag alone will fill your allowed weight quota.
I strongly, strongly suggest against that. Why instead not take your Nikon FA with you? Or perhaps with your 300$ budget, get a Kiev-4 or FED-2 rangefinder and 3-4 nice Jupiter lenses (I paid around 40 Euros for the Kiev-4 plus Jupiter-8, and 100 Euros for Jupiter-9, Jupiter-11 and Jupiter-12). And there is enough money left for a good light meter.

For a vacation, rangefinders are the best bet in my opinion. That is why I will never sell my Contax G2. I can fit the G2 and 5 lenses (two Biogons, two Planars and one Sonnar) inside a bag that would not be enough to contain the Pentacon Six alone, and I am not kidding (I can photograph that if you don't believe me)


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
For travelling and especially with plane , a TLR would be a good solution in the medium format class. Maybe even a folded camera. The drawback is that don't have interchangeable lens.

PS. If you travel by plane may be using ISO 100 film (or even 50 ISO) would be better (because of the the airports X-ray machine issue).


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
montecarlo wrote:
For travelling and especially with plane , a TLR would be a good solution in the medium format class. Maybe even a folded camera. The drawback is that don't have interchangeable lens.


Yes, I also thought of a Yashica Mat, but I know Attila and I know he loves to play with different lenses, that is why I have not included in the suggestion Smile

montecarlo wrote:
PS. If you travel by plane may be using ISO 100 film (or even 50 ISO) would be better (because of the the airports X-ray machine issue).


Good suggestion. I never had an x-ray bag for films, and never had any problems with ISO 100 or also ISO 200 films.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Attila, I don't know what type of vacation are you planning, but if it does not involve your car and a comfortable small environment near the hotel, I strongly suggest not to take the Pentacon Six and lenses with you. I have tried to carry them around in a bag like normal format camera. Both the size and the weight are unbearable, and you get soon tired. Not to mention the fact that if you are traveling by plane, the P6 and lenses bag alone will fill your allowed weight quota.
I strongly, strongly suggest against that. Why instead not take your Nikon FA with you? Or perhaps with your 300$ budget, get a Kiev-4 or FED-2 rangefinder and 3-4 nice Jupiter lenses (I paid around 40 Euros for the Kiev-4 plus Jupiter-8, and 100 Euros for Jupiter-9, Jupiter-11 and Jupiter-12). And there is enough money left for a good light meter.

For a vacation, rangefinders are the best bet in my opinion. That is why I will never sell my Contax G2. I can fit the G2 and 5 lenses (two Biogons, two Planars and one Sonnar) inside a bag that would not be enough to contain the Pentacon Six alone, and I am not kidding (I can photograph that if you don't believe me)


I would like to make best quality pictures as possible, six is heavy yes. Perhaps with one Flektogon not too heavy, I thought folder cameras too.
Yashica Mat perhaps also an option. I would try every solution, before I decide.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
A few weeks ago, I went one day to the Vigoleno castle with the P6 and a full range of lenses:

- Mir-26B
- Mir-36B
- Flek 50
- Biometar 80
- Biometar 120
- Kaleinar 150
- Sonnar 180
- Sonnar 300

The whole weighted more than 15 kilos and the big Tamrak back bag was not enough to contain them all, I had to use a common trolley bag. With the bag the total weight was near the 20 kilos. I cursed the decision the whole afternoon.

P6 is a great camera and set but you need to have a specific goal for it and take with you only the specific lenses that you need.

In vacation, you don't know what lenses you will need, so you need to take with you either a couple of zooms, or 5-6 different primes, if you want to cover the whole needs (unless of course one decides for the "one lens" approach", which has it's great merits but it's not the kind of thing you would like to do I guess).

For this reason I say that a P6 + 5-6 lenses is totally absurd for a vacation. Unless you decide to take with you only the P6 and one lens, which is still heavy and bulky and you don't have alternative options if you need a long tele or a superwide.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
On film I use 3 focals: 28 or 35mm, 50mm and 135mm . Together with the camera they can be sored in this http://www.tamrac.com/5510.htm (black version). But its 35mm. My point is to fix some 3-4 focal lengts (wide/normal/tele) and pack only those in the case of P6 too.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
When I used the P6 like a reflex I just used the Flek 50 and Biometar 80. Longer focals need a tripod (or a beans bag) and are anyway not that useful for street photography and landscapes excpet pretty uncommon cases.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A G Photography wrote:
When I used the P6 like a reflex I just used the Flek 50 and Biometar 80. Longer focals need a tripod (or a beans bag) and are anyway not that useful for street photography and landscapes excpet pretty uncommon cases.


Yes but Attila does not make street photos and he much prefers to pick details with teles or macros than to make landscapes.
Besides I think that a P6 for street photography is sort of an overkill.
A rangefinder, or a small reflex, with a 35mm lens, is what is best suited for the genre in my opinion.


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
A few weeks ago, I went one day to the Vigoleno castle with the P6 and a full range of lenses:

- Mir-26B
- Mir-36B
- Flek 50
- Biometar 80
- Biometar 120
- Kaleinar 150
- Sonnar 180
- Sonnar 300

The whole weighted more than 15 kilos and the big Tamrak back bag was not enough to contain them all, I had to use a common trolley bag. With the bag the total weight was near the 20 kilos. I cursed the decision the whole afternoon.


P6 is a great camera and set but you need to have a specific goal for it and take with you only the specific lenses that you need.

In vacation, you don't know what lenses you will need, so you need to take with you either a couple of zooms, or 5-6 different primes, if you want to cover the whole needs (unless of course one decides for the "one lens" approach", which has it's great merits but it's not the kind of thing you would like to do I guess).

For this reason I say that a P6 + 5-6 lenses is totally absurd for a vacation. Unless you decide to take with you only the P6 and one lens, which is still heavy and bulky and you don't have alternative options if you need a long tele or a superwide.


Laughing Laughing Silly idea

I am fine with my digital cameras for normal an teleshoots, I think about only one medium camera+one Flektogon 4/50


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:

Laughing Laughing Silly idea


yes, definitely!! Laughing


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:

I am fine with my digital cameras for normal an teleshoots, I think about only one medium camera+one Flektogon 4/50


I'd get the Biometar 80 too, it's relatively small and light to take it with you and 6x6 format sometimes screams for a normal (just think at Rolleiflexes).


PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, thanks!
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