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blotafton
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:35 am Post subject: TTArtisan 100mm 2.8 test |
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blotafton wrote:
Hello everyone!
For a short moment yesterday there were optimal conditions for bubble bokeh so I took some quick test shots.
This kind of shots usually require some level of editing to make them come out good and this lens was no exception. So I have done that but I will also upload some straight out of camera versions.
So far it looks like a good choice for someone who wants easy bubble bokeh and wants a new lens. The DIY option for projector lenses is still good for those who prefer that rout. But if an old original Trioplan it too expensive just as the new ones look no further.
Without direct comparison I get the feeling that the soap bubble rings are slightly weaker than those from my Diaplan. I will compare later to see if that is true.
I can recommend a long hood to reduce flare and a plastic cap, the original one is metal screw on that is not very practical in the field.
I'm happy with the level of center sharpness.
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#2 Straight out of camera
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#5 SOOC
#6 An example of flare even though the sun is not close to the frame.
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#8 SOOC
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#11 SOOC
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#17 SOOC with hand shade
#18 SOOC without hand shade
#19 100% crop
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Dejan
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Dejan wrote:
It's nice to see some samples that actually relate to how most people would use this lens, gives much better idea. Thanks! |
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calvin83
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
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blotafton
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Dejan wrote: |
It's nice to see some samples that actually relate to how most people would use this lens, gives much better idea. Thanks! |
Thank you, hopefully it can bu useful information for those who like to shoot in this style. |
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Baekmann
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Baekmann wrote:
Some cool shots, thanks for sharing _________________ www.youtube.com/ohjajohh |
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blotafton
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
Soap bubble comparison.
I have never compared before.
These are led lights, I lost the exact focus point in the middle of the test.
#1 TTArtisan 100mm
#2 Diaplan 100mm
#3 Triplet-5 100mm
#4 Zettar 100mm
#5 Splendar 100mm
#6 Edar 100mm
#7 Primotar 135mm
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calvin83
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
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planet.groove
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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planet.groove wrote:
sorry, but.... nothing beats an original.
there is this little "something" no other lens can do...
original Trioplan 100mm 2,8 wide open
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caspert79
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:22 am Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
Some awesome pictures of both lenses! To really compare them, you'd have to shoot the same picture with both lenses. |
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calvin83
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:33 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
caspert79 wrote: |
Some awesome pictures of both lenses! To really compare them, you'd have to shoot the same picture with both lenses. |
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D. P.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:49 am Post subject: |
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D. P. wrote:
planet.groove wrote: |
sorry, but.... nothing beats an original.
there is this little "something" no other lens can do...
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I totally agree with you. There is some subtle difference that is difficult to describe in words.
I have had several copies of Trioplan 100, so I feel this difference well. I don't want to say that the new lens is worse. He's just a little different. |
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calvin83
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 8:58 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I feel that there are subtle difference when I look at the sample photos on the official site. I don't know if it is related to the post processing or different camera/camera settings or the optically formulation. Out of the three copies Trioplan 100 I tried, the two chrome version are similar with slightly different glow at the wide open. The uncoated 4 inch cine version has different color compare to other two. I prefer the color of the cine version over the other two.
http://forum.mflenses.com/meyer-gorlitz-trioplan-100mm-f2-8-red-v-on-a7r-ii-t79348,highlight,%2Btrioplan.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/meyer-gorlitz-trioplan-100mm-f2-8-red-v-on-nex-5n-part-ii-t74148,highlight,%2Btrioplan.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/meyer-gorlitz-trioplan-100mm-f2-8-red-v-on-nex-5n-t71502,highlight,%2Btrioplan.html
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edri
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:26 am Post subject: |
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edri wrote:
TTArtisan is a lens that can be taken into account. The old trioplanes are at a hefty price, many not properly maintained. The so-called new Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan is at an absurdly ridiculous price, so the lens in the title of this thread is the only option for a new lens with these characteristics, at a decent price. From what you have presented here, the differences between the various lenses are quite subtle. I still admit that I would like to have an Edar lens, but it is not really available to buy. Thanks for the comparative images posted here. _________________ http://www.adlightstill.smugmug.com |
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blotafton
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 10:44 am Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
One thing I noticed is that the contrast of the TTA is a bit stronger, or different compared to a Diaplan, which may or may not be the same optically as a Trioplan. No one has tested this yet as far as I know, it's just claims.
I was happily content with the Diaplan's performance that's very close or identical to a real Trioplan. I still think I like Diaplan bubbles a bit more so far. But having an aperture sure is useful.
Anyway I think it's good to have a cheaper option for those who can't afford the real deal. |
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blotafton
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 11:03 am Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
edri wrote: |
TTArtisan is a lens that can be taken into account. The old trioplanes are at a hefty price, many not properly maintained. The so-called new Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan is at an absurdly ridiculous price, so the lens in the title of this thread is the only option for a new lens with these characteristics, at a decent price. From what you have presented here, the differences between the various lenses are quite subtle. I still admit that I would like to have an Edar lens, but it is not really available to buy. Thanks for the comparative images posted here. |
Thanks!
Yes I agree about the prices. I might have paid up if there were no other choices like projector lenses but they get so close so cheaply and I like shooting more than collecting so it was an easy choice back then. I'd love to have a Trioplan 100mm, I was once offered to buy one for the same price as the TTArtisan but it had a big scratch in the front element and I turned it down.
The LZK Edar was not easy to find, I had to contact a polish woman in polish to get it. The rings it makes are very good but overall contrast is low so it's a bit more challenging to use. I'd recommend a Diaplan or Pentacon AV more. |
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somflor
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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somflor wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
One thing I noticed is that the contrast of the TTA is a bit stronger, or different compared to a Diaplan, which may or may not be the same optically as a Trioplan. No one has tested this yet as far as I know, it's just claims.
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the most disappointing aspect from TTA is its color rendition which might be resulted from environmental restriction that prevents from adding certain elements into optical material for all modern lens. |
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stevemark
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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stevemark wrote:
somflor wrote: |
blotafton wrote: |
One thing I noticed is that the contrast of the TTA is a bit stronger, or different compared to a Diaplan, which may or may not be the same optically as a Trioplan. No one has tested this yet as far as I know, it's just claims.
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the most disappointing aspect from TTA is its color rendition |
What do you mean by that? A color cast, or the low contrast visible in some of the images?
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which might be resulted from environmental restriction that prevents from adding certain elements into optical material for all modern lens. |
I highly doubt it. Unless you're talking about glass containing thorium (yellow-browni, there's no visible difference between e. g. Pb or Cd conainig glasses and their newer substitutes.
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calvin83
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
somflor wrote: |
blotafton wrote: |
One thing I noticed is that the contrast of the TTA is a bit stronger, or different compared to a Diaplan, which may or may not be the same optically as a Trioplan. No one has tested this yet as far as I know, it's just claims.
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the most disappointing aspect from TTA is its color rendition which might be resulted from environmental restriction that prevents from adding certain elements into optical material for all modern lens. |
You should be happy with the lenses from Light Lens Lab as they said that they use lead glass in their lenses.
For a simplet triple, I doubt there will be any difference if it is made with glass with lead or not. The coating may be more important. My uncoated trioplan shows better color than my coated trioplan although the uncoated lens has less contrast. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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planet.groove
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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planet.groove wrote:
i can recommend the latest version of the Original - the black Trioplan N 100mm 2,8 for Exakta. Contrast and flare resistance are better than of the silver versions. It has not only a new barrel, but also better glass sorts (and only six blades).
some info here:
https://zeissikonveb.de/start/objektive/normalobjektive/trioplan.html
you can still buy a good copy on ebay germany (auction) for under 200 euros. _________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/planetgroove |
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blotafton
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
My first impression was that the colors were more or less natural unlike for example Samyang.
I have a fixed custom white balance that may not be perfect but I like it as a base for further editing. |
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calvin83
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2023 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
planet.groove wrote: |
i can recommend the latest version of the Original - the black Trioplan N 100mm 2,8 for Exakta. Contrast and flare resistance are better than of the silver versions. It has not only a new barrel, but also better glass sorts (and only six blades).
some info here:
https://zeissikonveb.de/start/objektive/normalobjektive/trioplan.html
you can still buy a good copy on ebay germany (auction) for under 200 euros. |
Thanks for the info! I would like to have one too. It may be interesting if the diaplan 100/2.8 are also made with the new glass. BTW, the nd/vd of the SF 17 glass of the Trioplan N is very close to the SF2 from Schott which is a very commonly used dense flint. _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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blotafton
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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blotafton wrote:
A few more.
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#7 It was a bit difficult to nail infinity with the short throw. f/5.6 or 8
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calvin83
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:58 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
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caspert79
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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caspert79 wrote:
A youtube comparison between the Trioplan and the Ttartisan:
https://youtu.be/UVfy-F1ze9c |
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kiddo
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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kiddo wrote:
blotafton wrote: |
Soap bubble comparison.
I have never compared before.
These are led lights, I lost the exact focus point in the middle of the test.
#1 TTArtisan 100mm
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Being a new lens, I've expected not to see dust inside the bokeh balls, so I thought it might be dust from the sensor, but the black dots don't respect same pattern in all other images |
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