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ManualFocus-G
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 Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject: The big Soligor thread! |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
This is an attempt to link all the information we've gathered together over the past few years and help others identify the maker of their lenses 
My Grandfather gave me my first two Soligors (Tokina made 135/3.5 and 200/3.5 models) and I've been fascinated ever since!
I've started by snapping all my big guns from the side, with a shot of the focus scale and the iris at f11.
Links:
The famous 28mm thread which started the serial code de-mystification!
http://forum.mflenses.com/soligor-12-8-f28mm-21and-versions-t30866,highlight,soligor++28mm.html
400mm threads:
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=7456&view=next
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=25309
350mm threads:
http://forum.mflenses.com/soligor-350-5-6-a-very-odd-wundertute-t6958,highlight,soligor+350mm.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=18477
300mm threads:
http://forum.mflenses.com/caspeco-old-tokina-300-5-5-preset-t2-mount-t12261.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=17839
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
400/6.3 - Serial: 97111315 - Maker: Kino - Year: 1971
Star blades!! Lens has a sliding hood and is a preset.
400/6.3 - Serial: H48064 - Maker: Tokina - Year: 1968?
This one is actually a Hanimex, but it seems to follow the same serial convention as Soligor, so I presume it exists as a Soligor too.
Looking at the focus scale, I reckon it could be a Tokina, not sure though. Lens is preset.
350/5.6 - Serial: 9697707 - Maker: Kino - Year: 1969
It's those interesting blades again! Lens has a sliding hood and is a preset.
350/5.6 - Serial: H69415 - Maker: Komine - Year: 1969?
This is another preset lens. Very sharp.
300/5.5 - Serial: H71851 - Maker: Tokina - Year: 1971?
Lens is a preset Tokina.
250/4.5 - Serial: 1690311 - Maker: Tokina - Year: 1969
Lens is an automatic T4 interchangable mount model.
250/4.5 - Serial: 9713157 - Maker: Kino - Year: 1971
This is yet another preset lens!
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Thank you !
I have several (250, 350, 450mm) like H69415
So they are Komine. That blows by O<-.->C theory away.
The Hanimex H48064 looks a great deal like a Tokina, and up to now thats what I would have assumed.
This lens, or extremely similar, does exist as a Soligor.
I am happy to see that the "silver ring" series was identified as Kino. I have however had a couple of these that do nothing for Kino's reputation !
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ManualFocus-G
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| Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
I'm not massively impressed by the Kino lenses to be honest. They do a job, but the others (Tokina, Komine) appear to have more resolution.
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walter g wrote:
Kawanon also made a 350mm lens. It looks similar to the Komine version of the Soligor.
I'm pretty sure there is a Soligor version of this lens. I'm posting the Kawanon version for future identification.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Rolf wrote:
I´m not a Soligor expert and I have no one in my collection so far.
But I always like to see pics from (and taken with) old/er lenses and I must say that your samples are in an excellent condition. Great finish at that time.
Thanks for sharing.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:48 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
The most common Kawanon is the 400/6.3 preset, almost always found under the "Astranar" brand.
These look almost the same as that nice 350, which is quite uncommon btw.
I don't recall seeing one in Soligor brand, but I wouldn't be surprised.
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revers wrote:
My Soligor 35-70 zoom has SN 5906347 & no indication on the lens that I can see as to where it was made. However, the box it came in says Made in Korea.
I got lost in the links & think I posted this in the wrong one.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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ovim wrote:
I don't have this lens anymore but I found these pics from my flickr account.I think it was made by Komine and it has also been sold as Elicar, Vivitar etc. Sorry I don't have the serial:oops:
Vivitar 2.5/90mm Macro
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Thank you Shrek.
I don't think the first 400mm's link is the good one.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
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Thank you Shrek.
I don't think the first 400mm's link is the good one. |
Ha! Amended, thanks!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: Soligor 35mm f3.5 'chrome ears' |
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Lloydy wrote:
Soligor 35mm f3.5 'chrome ears'
M39 - T2 mount, shown with M42 adaptor.
Serial number. 9697640
The '9' signifies Kino, made in 1969
Not the greatest offering from this series of Soligor lenses. But I wouldn't call it bad.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject: Soligor 135mm f2.8 'Chrome ears' |
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Lloydy wrote:
Soligor 135mm f2.8 'Chrome ears'
M39 - T2 mount, shown with M42 adaptor.
Serial number - M 163925
The 'M' is a mystery, but the '1' might make it a Tokina made in 1963
One of the first manual focus lenses I used on a Pentax K10, and it still gets used as it's a decent lens that surprises me more than it dissapoints.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: Soligor 300mm f5.5 'chrome ears' |
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Lloydy wrote:
Soligor 300mm f5.5 'chrome ears'
M39 - T2 mount, shown with M42 adaptor.
The '3' signifies Sun as the manufacturer in 1975.
This a good lens that has given me some good pictures, not the lightest or easiest lens to use, but the overall quality still makes it worth buying.
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
That 300mm from Sun looks very interesting...I've never seen one before!
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Lloydy wrote:
The 300 is a better lens than I expected, I've also got a Tair 300 and the Soligor is a bit lighter to carry, although the term "lighter" is relative! 
But I think it's probably as good, although I haven't done a decent shoot out with them yet.
Here's some examples of the Soligor 300, all shot at ISO 200 on a Pentax K10.
None of them have been touched at all, these are straight out of the camera.
The more I use this lens, the better it gets.
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Phenix jc wrote:
| ovim wrote: |
I don't have this lens anymore but I found these pics from my flickr account.I think it was made by Komine and it has also been sold as Elicar, Vivitar etc. Sorry I don't have the serial:oops:
Vivitar 2.5/90mm Macro
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caspert79 wrote:
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| ovim wrote: |
I don't have this lens anymore but I found these pics from my flickr account.I think it was made by Komine and it has also been sold as Elicar, Vivitar etc. Sorry I don't have the serial:oops:
Vivitar 2.5/90mm Macro
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Phenix jc wrote:
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Love this lens. Not only for macro, but also for portraits. |
It's a Komine made, I've got one recently on another brand, but it's impossible to test it since the weather & the light is dreadful here  . I gave the ebay's link because the pictures of the Soligor box.
Please have a look on the (truely remarquable) blog of the forum member Justorchit
http://makingnottaking.blogspot.com/search/label/Vivitar%2090mm%20MC%20f%2F2.5%201%3A1
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visualopsins wrote:
A treasure trove of manuals including this gem: Soligor Universal Automatic T4 Lens System
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luisalegria wrote:
A treasure trove indeed !
Thank you !
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Recently I saw the diagram of the T2 soligor lenses and, noted, looking at the T4 schames, that in the 105 and 135 the lenses were changed. From 5 elements to 4 elements. The difference is in the rear group : 2 elements in the T2 and only one in the T4.
More contrast. Paying with less corners correction?
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uhoh7 wrote:
I found this on ebay a month ago, 135 f/2 "CD"
bigger view:
http://g1.img-dpreview.com/F65CB52F279049EFA2D844382483C0CE.jpg
It's turned to winter here fast and have not had a chance to really try it out, but it does seem pretty sharp.
It is one hunk of metal with sweet focus and unusual large easy clicking aperture ring--really nice to to stop on the fly.
bigger:
http://g2.img-dpreview.com/B97A81D31CBB4B70BF6F2D8ACD73C9C3.jpg
Won auction at 151.40 USD
just wondering if anyone knows the story behind this one?
TY sirs
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PBFACTS wrote:
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just wondering if anyone knows the story behind this one?
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Soligor C/D was the attempt from soligor to go high end
The first C/D batch was 28/2 + 35/2 + 135/2 + 200/2.8 + 100mm macro + 80/200 3.5
The second c/d batch included 35/105 3.5 + 100/300 5.0 + 70/220 3.5
It did compete with Vivitar S1 line
Nearly all lenses were Tokina made (including yours)
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+ i sell: OM Kiron 28/105 3.2-4.5 / 1.5 converter
+ i sell: OM Makinon reflex 5.6/300 + Spector reflex (makinon) 500mm
+ i sell: OM Macro panagor extender 1:1
+ i sell: OM Sigma 16mm 2.8 fisheye (last version) / 21-35 3.5-4.2 ot/ 28-70 2.8 /1000mm mirror
+ i sell: Tamron 28-70 3.5-4.5 / 28-80 sp 3.5-4.2 / 28-135 sp 4-4.5 / /28-200 3.5 / 35-135 3..5-4.5 / 90mm sp macro 1:1 2.8
+ i sell: OM Soligor 2x doubler / x3 converte
+ i sell: Soligor FisheEye x0.15
+ i sell: OM Tokina 28/135 4-4.6 / 70/210 3.5 (= vivitar S1 v2)
+ i sell: OM Vivitar 28-70 3.5-4.8 / 28-90 s1 2.8-3.5 / 35-70 2.8-3.8 / 55/2.8 Macro 1:1 (komine) / 70-150 3.8 ot (kiron) / 75-150 ot 3.8 (tokina + 2x matched)
+ i sell : OM cosina 100-500 5.6/8 |
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trev
Joined: 30 Jun 2010
Posts: 580
Location: North Wales - UK
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trev wrote:
I have a Soligor c/d macro 70-210 f3.5 (constant) serial number 38103929 any ideas? Havnt had the chance to try it out yet, although as its SSOOO heavy I think I may end up with a hernia!!!!! LOL
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