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padiej
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 244 Location: AUSTRIA - Burgenland
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: pentacon 29mm/2,8 --- Why are one border unsharp? |
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padiej wrote:
Good day!
A question:
I have two copys, both are unsharp on one side, good sharpness in the center and on other side, unsing aperture 5,6 or 8,
by using aperture 16 or 22, all is sharp, include the dust on the sensor
why ???
Is this a focus-problem or disturbances into the lens?
The 6 blades are silver, is this a source of blurring?
I will test the pentacon again and show the pictures.
I must use a good hood, becouse the blades are reflecting so much.
What do you mean about this effect?
regards Peter _________________ Cam: Canon EOS 5D, 50D, 500D, Pentax Ist DL
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
The Pentacon 2.8/29 is a cheap lens with a cheap build. The copy variation is an issue. My first copy was so horrible that I had to sell it. My second copy is ok and I am keeping it. The positive side is that the lens is so cheap that one can afford to try several in order to find a good one.
if your problem is identical with two different lenses, however, I would investigate other possibilities also, such as possibly defective adapter. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Flor27
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 1195 Location: Paris, France
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Flor27 wrote:
Orio is right, and the main problem is misalignment of lenses elements : lens element could be cut un-centered or if not, badly placed in the barrel. _________________ Switching from M42 to Minolta MD & Contax/Yashica |
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padiej
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 244 Location: AUSTRIA - Burgenland
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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padiej wrote:
Thank you!
adapter works good by other lenses, must be the lenses, the glass
it´s ok, the price is low,
but why is the lens sharp by aperture 16 or 22 ???
regards peter _________________ Cam: Canon EOS 5D, 50D, 500D, Pentax Ist DL
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
padiej wrote: |
but why is the lens sharp by aperture 16 or 22 ???
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Because you use only the very central portion of the glass. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Sandie
Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 217 Location: Austria
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Sandie wrote:
I feel the Meyer versions of the 29/2.8 and 30/3.5 have better QC than their pentacon counterpart. _________________ Canon 5DII + Canon 5D + Canon 350D + Pentax MZ10 + Pracktica BX20 + Mamiya 1000TL + Yashica TL Electro X + Yashica FR1 + Pentax ES II
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Pentacon: 50/f1.8, 135/f2.8, 200/f4, 300/f4;
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Revuenon: 24/f4(Ennalyt), 28/f3.5(Ennalyt), 200/f3.5(Tomioka);
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Soligor 135/f2.8; 35/f2.8;
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
On many lenses Meyer version is better than Pentacon, Pentacon was driven by Mr. Honecker trully Built quality most of them crapier than Meyer and sometimes optical quality too. _________________ -------------------------------
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Pentacon and meyer - the same maker with different brand for marketing- used the same glases (not schott like zeiss). The first - meyer- had better built and in the cases of the "same" lens (ie orestegon and pentacon 29mm F/2, that have differents optical's rendition, it may occur in the poor built of pentacon way and in the different rendition of the MC glasses in comparation with the single coat ones (remember here that some lenses rendition not be improved with the MC, although the contrast may be better. Some designers said the the mc coat need a reformulation of some design because, among others causes, altered the distance and reflexion of the elements of the lens, and some design don't support this changes without less qality). _________________ Konica 2,8/100
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padiej
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 244 Location: AUSTRIA - Burgenland
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:05 am Post subject: |
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padiej wrote:
Thank you all !
We can resume:
Meyer-Lenses are on a higher level
(-yesterday I tested the Lydith 3,5/30 - it is better then pentacon 29mm)
my Pentacon 29mm are half-lenses - I have to cut one border of the picture to get sharpness over all
When the rain in austria is over (we have a kind of monsun-rain), then I will make a test meyer 30- pentacon 29- takimar 28
regards Peter _________________ Cam: Canon EOS 5D, 50D, 500D, Pentax Ist DL
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
estudleon wrote: |
Pentacon and meyer - the same maker with different brand for marketing |
Actually, this is not how I know it - as far as I know, Meyer became a part of VEB Pentacon (around 1968 if I remember correctly).
VEB Pentacon was the result of a fusion of several small DDR photographic companies, and it was a separate entity from Meyer, until it "ate" Meyer in 1968. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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padiej
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 244 Location: AUSTRIA - Burgenland
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: |
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padiej wrote:
Now, my inside test, becouse the rain is so massive
Pictures 100%
I have two pentacons to sell
The pentacons are for the rack, they are duds.
The bigger pentacons are good, leastwise a success
and the meyer lydith 30/3,5 (zebra) - a dream, I like it, is a good lense, all is sharp
There is a big difference between pentacon and meyer, I see, too.
Thank you, for helping!
regards Peter _________________ Cam: Canon EOS 5D, 50D, 500D, Pentax Ist DL
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padiej
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 244 Location: AUSTRIA - Burgenland
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: |
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padiej wrote:
Pentacon 29mm is a very good lens, you must find the right way to use it:
respectfully Peter _________________ Cam: Canon EOS 5D, 50D, 500D, Pentax Ist DL
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Farside
Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 6557 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
padiej wrote: |
Pentacon 29mm is a very good lens, you must find the right way to use it:
respectfully Peter |
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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A G Photography wrote:
I can concur that the Meyer Lydith is very nice lens, it's almost sharper than the 35mm Flek (I must do some tests just for fun). Actually I have pretty a crush on Meyer lenses, they're so undervalued but they always delivered more than I expected from them. _________________ Alessandro
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