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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:29 pm    Post subject: Sony 'lens camera' Reply with quote
Shocked is this for real?

http://petapixel.com/2013/08/12/first-pictures-of-sonys-groundbreaking-lens-cameras-surface/


PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I really hope not, I refuse to own a smartphone for several reasons, and with the current trend in integrating phones into cameras, I'm getting worried before long there won't be any cameras without phone features, wi-fi etc, making them useless to me.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Even your most basic non-Smartphone has a camera these days. And while it may not have wireless, chances are good it has at least bluetooth.

I like that site. I read some other articles while I was there. I especially liked this one:

http://petapixel.com/2012/11/12/sony-nex-ads-poke-fun-at-clueless-dslr-photographers/

Now come on -- be honest. Haven't you -- at one time or another -- resembled at least one of those photographers? I know I have.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a ten year old Nokia, it has a camera, never used it. I keep the phone switched off and in a drawer until I need it, which is not often. I'm interested in a new Samsung camera, the NX20 probably, but then I saw this Galaxy NX where they have removed all the camera controls and replaced them with a large touch screen, the thing runs Android and is basically a smartphone and a camera in one, and I really hope that isn't the direction cameras are going to take. If so, I can see m being stuck with my NEX-3. Sad


PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, the latest nexes still look like cameras, even those supporting wifi, so there's a little hope.
The idea of a lens/sensor package controllabile through generic Palm device sounds more intriguing Than scary to me.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm waiting for a 6x7 sensor box camera where I can pull out a ear horn, shout into the lens, and use the crank to dial.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not worring a lot about thoses evolutions. There always will be normal cameras, and tools or gadget for all the people who doesn't care about camera (like those who use smartphone as camera), and I have nothing against it. Not every one want to use real camera. P&S may disapear, but I don't think it's big problem.


PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
As long as you can still buy what I consider a 'proper' camera I'll be happy.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
wonder if it works with iphone. That would be pretty sweet


PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I have a ten year old Nokia, it has a camera, never used it. I keep the phone switched off and in a drawer until I need it, which is not often. I'm interested in a new Samsung camera, the NX20 probably, but then I saw this Galaxy NX where they have removed all the camera controls and replaced them with a large touch screen, the thing runs Android and is basically a smartphone and a camera in one, and I really hope that isn't the direction cameras are going to take. If so, I can see m being stuck with my NEX-3. Sad


Sounds almost as if you're describing the Samsung Galaxy S4 -- or the Galaxy Note II. I have an S4 -- just got it a couple of weeks ago -- and had a tough time deciding between it and a Note II. The tipping point was, believe it or don't, the camera. The S4's camera is quite a bit nicer than the Note II's. What I like about it least, however, is I have to touch the screen to take a picture. It's an unnatural position I have to put my hand in to hit that camera icon to take the photo. I would much prefer a real switch that I could click, located on the side of the phone, the way it is with an old LG phone I have. Maybe I'll get used to it if I use it more.

This discussion reminds me of the thread I started about a week or so I guess about the new Nokia Lumia with the 41mp camera. Now that that beast is out there, expect other phone makers feeling compelled to compete. So this Sony device may just find a niche with phone users whose camera isn't quite what they wished it to be. I believe the article mentions that the plan is for it to be compatible with both Android and iOS devices.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Actually Michael, it's this thing, an NX that has been mated with an android smartphone:





I was really enthusiastic about Samsung's NX range, but all of the cameras they have released since the NX200, apart from the NX20, just don't appeal to me, they have gone in a direction that has tuned me off - adding features I would never use and consider out of place in a camera, such as wi-fi, upload direct to facebook, apps, etc. This latest Galaxy NX, if it shows the way Samsung is going is the nail in the coffin of the NX series for me and I'll not buy one as my new camera.

I'm getting ready to replace my aging NEX-3, and I really want something that is more like a traditional camera than a gizmo crammed with useless features. I'll never be able to afford a Leica and it has to be mirrorless so what are my options? The Ricoh GXR is a nice body but the A12 module doesn't impress me, maybe they will bring out a new module soon? The Fuji X-E1 looks like it is the camera I want, but is it worth the price, being twice what I can get a 16mp NEX or a 20mp NX20 for?

Maybe one maker will finally produce a mirrorless camera that is just a camera and just has the basics I need without all the useless extra crap. I'm not holding my breath though.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Actually Michael, it's this thing, an NX that has been mated with an android smartphone:





I was really enthusiastic about Samsung's NX range, but all of the cameras they have released since the NX200, apart from the NX20, just don't appeal to me, they have gone in a direction that has tuned me off - adding features I would never use and consider out of place in a camera, such as wi-fi, upload direct to facebook, apps, etc. This latest Galaxy NX, if it shows the way Samsung is going is the nail in the coffin of the NX series for me and I'll not buy one as my new camera.

I'm getting ready to replace my aging NEX-3, and I really want something that is more like a traditional camera than a gizmo crammed with useless features. I'll never be able to afford a Leica and it has to be mirrorless so what are my options? The Ricoh GXR is a nice body but the A12 module doesn't impress me, maybe they will bring out a new module soon? The Fuji X-E1 looks like it is the camera I want, but is it worth the price, being twice what I can get a 16mp NEX or a 20mp NX20 for?

Maybe one maker will finally produce a mirrorless camera that is just a camera and just has the basics I need without all the useless extra crap. I'm not holding my breath though.


Day-um! What a mixed-up piece of kit! I can't see anyone using that as a phone, can you? Okay, yes, maybe if somebody rings you up when you're in the middle of a photo shoot, you can answer the phone and keep shooting. But what else?

I'm kind of in the same boat as you. I need to replace my aging 10.1mp EOS XS (1000D), which has always been a frustrating camera for me to use. I keep trying to stretch it past its limits, with predictable results. I've finally made up my mind, which is determined more by the funds I have available than my desires. I'm gonna hang in there and be patient for another couple of months. According to all the rumors sites, Sony is set to announce a few new MILCs in late September for late October delivery. Probably the most anticipated is their new FF MILC that some folks are referring to as a NEX 9, but which will probably be called something else, even though it will closely resemble a NEX. But given that its debut price is likely to be around $3,000US, a price I simply can't afford, I've decided to wait for the next iteration of the NEX 7, which is also anticipated to be released at the same time. That I should be able to afford. And, coupled with a Lens Turbo, I can at least be able to get marginally decent photos with my 35mm wide lenses -- based on the shots I've seen of the Lens Turbo's performance here.

When it comes to all that "useless crap," here's the way I see it. All these "features" are built into the camera's CPU chip anyway, so the camera maker sees no reason why they shouldn't be exploited. But it doesn't mean you have to use them, just because they're there. I mean, with my EOS, it has a dedicated button that is used for sending pics directly to a Canon SELFY or PIXMA printer. A feature I've never used and never will use. But as long as I can set the camera up into some sort of minimalist configuration, I'm happy. Hey, one of the things I enjoyed most about my original Canon EOS Rebel that I bought some 23 years ago, was that it had a full-featured manual mode. No having to guess what the aperture setting was, like I had to on all the FD-mount A-series Canons (except for the AT-1) and the T-series. It was already on the chip that was probably some derivative of the ones used on the earlier 650/630 cameras, so why not exploit it? Or ignore it, as the case may be. My EOS Elan IIe has that "eye focus control" business or whatever it's called. But I never use it. So what if it's there, as long as it doesn't get in the way?

Samsung appears to be chasing after a quite illusory user base, though, or at least a very transient one. I still regard Samsung as one of the dark horses that can make a real difference in the FF MILC arena. They have the smarts and the technology, but do they have the will? Sadly, I'm beginning to suspect that they don't -- because it will require a major commitment from the builder. Not just the cameras, but all the lenses they'll have to produce to support it. So maybe they aren't up for that sort of intensity.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think the dials and buttons will remain there on most camera but more apps and function will be added to make new models.. My concern is the stability of the OS/software of the Galaxy NX. It is not acceptable if the camera or gallery app freeze when I taking photos and reviewing my photos. It more like a toy than a camera if it is not reliable.


PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looks like just a skinny camera.
Phone is an accessory.
I'd hate to be on a 2-hr conference call on that thing. Awkward. Lot of these "smartphones" are just a pain to use as phones without the bluetooth doohiky.

The camera lens bit just pops off I hope.

Some of us have our balls and chains and have to be available, to a high degree, 24x7. Can't make a living otherwise.


PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
One of the modules has the same 1" sensor and lens as the Sony RX100 which is a great camera and in theory I could carry that module around and get high quality photos with real bokeh instead of carrying a whole camera with me BUT I guarantee you if I slap that thing on my galaxy s3 it will not give me the same snappy and responsive user experience I would get b using a REAL RX100, I bet it will be laggy and annoying and probably won't have RAW support.

If I could buy the module and turn my phone into an RX100 every time I hooked it up I would consider it especially as the module is a lot cheaper than buying an RX100 outright but I just can't see it being slick to use.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The QX10 and QX100 are expected to be announced on Tuesday.

http://petapixel.com/2013/08/31/sony-lens-cam-photos-details-leaked-announcement-tuesday/

They connect to your phone via WiFi/NFC. From the phone you can control zoom, exposure, white balance and focus.

Personally, I just don't get it. For the price quotes ($250 and $450) you could buy a reasonable point 'n' shoot instead.

Rolling Eyes


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
SonicScot wrote:
The QX10 and QX100 are expected to be announced on Tuesday.

http://petapixel.com/2013/08/31/sony-lens-cam-photos-details-leaked-announcement-tuesday/

They connect to your phone via WiFi/NFC. From the phone you can control zoom, exposure, white balance and focus.

Personally, I just don't get it. For the price quotes ($250 and $450) you could buy a reasonable point 'n' shoot instead.

Rolling Eyes


Scott the QX100 uses the exact same lens and sensor as the Sony RX100MII, and that is more than a reasonable but one of the very best, if not best compact one can buy costing 250 usd more.

I read that these lens cameras are the most pre-ordered 'cameras' ever, they already are at No. 1 and No. 2 spot at amazon.


PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Integration with social media and message systems, or internet in general, can be useful more to professionals than to amateurs, actually.
Professionals just send their images (other people processes them), and to be able to do that without a laptop is very convenient when on location.
Amateurs, instead, like to process their own images, so direct connection to social media may be useful for occasional trip shot but not really for dedicated amateurs, unless/until
they find a way to implement something like Lightroom directly inside the camera (and that would require an excellent and wide LCD).

However, a simple connection for sending images through the internet to my icloud does not require all that screen estate and interface.
It can be implemented with a simple menu entry in very normal DSLRs.
I would welcome that in my DSLR, if only for sending home shots that I make on location and that I may not record on card because card is full, or that I want to backup to minimize risk of card loss or malfunction.


PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:

However, a simple connection for sending images through the internet to my icloud does not require all that screen estate and interface.
It can be implemented with a simple menu entry in very normal DSLRs.
I would welcome that in my DSLR, if only for sending home shots that I make on location and that I may not record on card because card is full, or that I want to backup to minimize risk of card loss or malfunction.

I thought about doing this a couple of years ago with a wi-fi enabled SD card, connected to my 3G phone, and in turn loading data up to the online storage.
I dropped the idea because, at the time, the wi-fi cards were unreliable, the data provider I had was greedy, and the 3G connection was unpredictable and unreliable.
Things might have improved though; and a simple plug-in solution, if reliable and cheap, would be good.
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