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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:03 am    Post subject: Leica Mini APS-C camera leaked... Reply with quote
http://petapixel.com/2013/05/28/first-leica-mini-m-photograph-leaked-its-a-fixed-lens-aps-c-camera/


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Leica Camera will presented it to the public on June 11th.

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
€2450 Shocked


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
berraneck wrote:
€2450 Shocked


Yes, surprisingly cheap for a Leica!


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's an admission that Sony (NEX and RX100) and the other 4/3's are leading the way.

Leica are following!

BTW - there's a typo in the heading.


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
1. dont see anything remotely 'mini' about it. looks positively HUGE.

2. 3.5-6.4!!! totally absurd. from any other manufacturer it would be dismissed on this basis alone.

3. what is the reason to buy this over buying both a fuji xpro+18-55 AND sony nex6+zeiss 18-55 for the same price??!!

4. i'm not a leica hater i have and love a couple of their lenses. while i think build quality is way overstated, the m9 is a unique product. but theyve lost their way in a sea of arrogance. i hope they go broke.
tony


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
"I hope they go broke" - did you have a bad dream or what hit you to be so hateful??

Gosh, I guess I'd rather stop posting here if that "virus" starts to also spread here, GEEEZZ


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for posting the news, Klaus.


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think the fair question to ask is: if this camera comes from anyone other than Lecia, would you buy it? If your answer is a "no", then Lecia is only leeching off their name and I am not sure that business model is sustainable.


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
drjs wrote:
I think the fair question to ask is: if this camera comes from anyone other than Lecia, would you buy it?
If your answer is a "no", then Lecia is only leeching off their name and I am not sure that business model is sustainable.


"you" is not enough to judge a business model. Believe it or not, there is a lot of people outside of here who are concerned
only about image quality and portability, and could not care less if their camera can switch lenses or not.
My mom, for instance, would be such an user, if she was still interested in photography.
For those people, this camera may meet their needs - provided that they can afford it, of course.


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oooh it's like a better looking, and rather posher, version of the Canon G1x (without a viewfinder) Laughing

I'm sure it will still sell in its target market though, Leica aren't stupid Wink


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
drjs wrote:
I think the fair question to ask is: if this camera comes from anyone other than Lecia, would you buy it?
If your answer is a "no", then Lecia is only leeching off their name and I am not sure that business model is sustainable.


"you" is not enough to judge a business model. Believe it or not, there is a lot of people outside of here who are concerned
only about image quality and portability, and could not care less if their camera can switch lenses or not.
My mom, for instance, would be such an user, if she was still interested in photography.
For those people, this camera may meet their needs - provided that they can afford it, of course.


Rest assured the "target" audience isn't the general public. Still, this makes one wonder how many such "targeted" audience takes to sustain a company. I am sure similar discussion take places in the board rooms of "Hermes Birkin", and "Montblanc". I think the difference here is that photography is both a technical and an artistic pursuit. The funny thing is that Lecia got to this place because its technical and quality attributes. One could always wonder if one is absent, would it still maintain its loyal following simply based on brand loyalty or collectible value. Interestingly, this is not unlike the problem Apple is facing right now, moving from an innovation company to a me too company.


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
drjs wrote:

Rest assured the "target" audience isn't the general public. Still, this makes one wonder how many such "targeted" audience takes to sustain a company.


In the current crisis, there's only one category of products that not only haven't been affected, but also increased sales: luxury products.


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
There is nothing in this product that interests me. If this works for Leica though, why not ? They have a history of rebadging Panasonic P&S at 2x-3x the price, if that works, I don't see why this wouldn't work too.


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Then again, this could all be a Photoshop'd hoax, even minted by Leica themselves to throw off the scent.


PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Luxury products market is rising and Leica is evidently aware that they have name somehow considered luxurious. However, what I expect from luxury product is to be in some way extraordinary - design, technology, craftsmanship, how it holds price in time etc. This surely applies to M system, but I cannot see it in this particular camera.

All at all, as I look at Leica share prices on stock market, they probably don't have problems with forum critics Smile


PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
APS-C sensor and fixed zoom lens doesn't sound mini and this camera doesn't look mini neither.
But for those who want a Leica around their neck for being exclusive it's a a real bargain, a 'mini' solution of sorts Wink


PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://www.leica-storemayfair.co.uk/news/new-leica-X-Vario.html


PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Focal range is great, but damn, speed not at all! f/3.5-6.4 is kinda sigma cheapy zoom like Confused


PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Seems a very odd choice from Leica considering the competition. Fuji X-E1 + 18-55 is half the price.


PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The one thing it isn't is compact, with that bloody great lump on the front.
I suspect many of the potential purchasers - the ones who have a lot of spare cash to blow on a handbag /pocket camera will be put off by the size of it.


PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Some bad decision met in that camera...


PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rick1779 wrote:
Focal range is great, but damn, speed not at all! f/3.5-6.4 is kinda sigma cheapy zoom like Confused


That's the very thing I noticed first, and it turned me off totally.

Unless they have some very effective vibration control system it'll be one slow Sigma like kit lens.


PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
parabellumfoto wrote:
Rick1779 wrote:
Focal range is great, but damn, speed not at all! f/3.5-6.4 is kinda sigma cheapy zoom like Confused


That's the very thing I noticed first, and it turned me off totally.

Unless they have some very effective vibration control system it'll be one slow Sigma like kit lens.


VR or not, any middling lens can perform well by ƒ/6.4. Even ƒ/3.5. The point of a 70mm ƒ/6.4 lens is.....?

Their target audience was clearly not us here. They knew what they were doing so it isn't a "bad decision" as much as an intentional choice. Think: gift for girlfriend of a nouveau riche Shanghai princeling in the "import/export" business.

Leica is hoping the likes of those here will save their pence and euro-cents for an M240.
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