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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:01 am Post subject: new 'serious' travel zoom compact |
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kuuan wrote:
20MP 1" CMOS sensor ( 1" sensor size, a reminder:
http://4.s.img-dpreview.com/previews/Sony-DSC-RX100/images/Sensor-Sizes.png?v=1508 )
f1.8-4.9 28-100mm equivalent lens
image stabilization
Raw
can shoot 1080p60 and capture 17MP (16:9 crop) stills simultaneously
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-dsc-rx100/ _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:17 am Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
I was just reading about that, it looks a good camera if you like that kind of thing. _________________ Gary
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Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:59 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
the phone nokia 808 have an 1/1.2" sensor and 41MP, and it can phone _________________ T* |
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:04 am Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
poilu wrote: |
the phone nokia 808 have an 1/1.2" sensor and 41MP, and it can phone |
Does it also have an aperture of 1.8? _________________ Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10472 Location: Greece
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:18 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
SonicScot wrote: |
poilu wrote: |
the phone nokia 808 have an 1/1.2" sensor and 41MP, and it can phone |
Does it also have an aperture of 1.8? |
it is 1 stop slower, f2.4
it is lighter, 169g vs 213g
it is thinner, 1.39cm vs 3.6cm
screen is 4" amoled vs 3"
it have gps
it play divx & mp3
it can play games & applications
it have 16gb internal memory
it is about the same price _________________ T* |
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2697 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:47 am Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
Well the Nokia is some piece of kit! It has all the bells and whistles one could ask for and lots of big numbers to show how capable it is, so I can't knock it.
But, from a camera point of view, it all boils down to two things;
The quality of the image sensor and the quality of the glass in front of it. _________________ Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
From the camera point of view, I would never buy a camera that has a similar performance to that of a cell phone.
Either I would buy a real camera, or I'd buy a cell phone that is more versatile and means carrying one technotool in my pocket instead of two.
(and save money - because I would not have to buy a cell phone extra) _________________ Orio, Administrator
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ChromaticAberration
Joined: 23 Dec 2010 Posts: 819 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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ChromaticAberration wrote:
This is just too much and I do not see the need for this sensor size. I mean, I get the point of having the APS-C concept, not everyone can spend thousands on a fullframe body. Micro 4/3 reduced the crop-sensor body and made it much portable.
1"? Why? _________________ Body: Fujifilm X-E1
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Sirrith
Joined: 17 Sep 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Sirrith wrote:
1" because the camera itself is around the same size as other compacts that have 1/2.3 and 1/1.7, but the sensor is 1", thus it will have better noise performance, it will sound better in comparisons, and it will be more attractive to all, thus selling more. M4/3 may have reduced form factor coming from DSLRs, but I got rid of mine because it was still too big as a camera to have with you all the time; it doesn't fit in trouser pockets, meaning you need a bag, if you're carrying a bag, might as well carry a DSLR. The larger the sensor they manage to fit in compacts, the better I say.
And compacts have far better performance than cell phones at the moment, Orio (with the possible exception of the nokia, but that's really a camera with a phone attached, and it doesn't have zoom or any form of useful manual controls to speak of). If a camera can take a photo like this, wouldn't you call it a "real" camera?:
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5080 Location: France
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
poilu wrote: |
the phone nokia 808 have an 1/1.2" sensor and 41MP, and it can phone |
Crete with Nokia 808 :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nokiaofficial/sets/72157629826156568/ _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
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Pontus
Joined: 18 Dec 2011 Posts: 1471 Location: Jakobstad, Finland
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Pontus wrote:
The new Nokia camera will be a game changer. It won' be a threat to us mfl freaks, advanced amateurs or the pros but the man on the street won't see a reason to buy a PS camera when (and that's next year) a Nokia Phone with WP8 in combination with the new camera module starts selling to the masses.
And I'm not trolling, just wait and see. _________________ Follow this link for my FOR SALE list (partially updated 19.11.2015) |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5039 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
"APS-C (Standard)"
&/%# &(/&# _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5039 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
poilu wrote: |
the phone nokia 808 have an 1/1.2" sensor and 41MP, and it can phone |
you borne troll? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I think it's a pretty interesting cam, but in order to win some parts of the cake, it needs to be cheaper than comparable system cams! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:18 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Sirrith wrote: |
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What did you shoot that with? Looks good!
As for the Sony...Vario-Sonnar...mmm _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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Aanything
Joined: 27 Aug 2011 Posts: 2187 Location: Piacenza, Italy
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Aanything wrote:
I Don't see all that difference (on paper) between this and some respected cameras like Fuji x10, and the price is in the same league as well.
So it doesn't really look that new or strange.
Neither I have ever read of an x10 compared to a mobile phone.
It costs, but if money were not a problem ( ) I'd possibly think of it as a second camera alternative to my hypotetic full frame dslr. _________________ C&C and editing of my pics are always welcome
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Sirrith
Joined: 17 Sep 2010 Posts: 215 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Sirrith wrote:
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
What did you shoot that with? Looks good!
As for the Sony...Vario-Sonnar...mmm |
Canon s95 and its tiny little sensor... |
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5080 Location: France
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:28 am Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Sirrith wrote: |
ManualFocus-G wrote: |
What did you shoot that with? Looks good!
As for the Sony...Vario-Sonnar...mmm |
Canon s95 and its tiny little sensor... |
Very good !
(Photo and camera). _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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kuuan
Joined: 14 Jan 2008 Posts: 4569 Location: right now: Austria
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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kuuan wrote:
Sirrith wrote: |
1" because the camera itself is around the same size as other compacts that have 1/2.3 and 1/1.7, but the sensor is 1", thus it will have better noise performance.... |
+1
Aanything wrote: |
I Don't see all that difference (on paper) between this and some respected cameras like Fuji x10, and the price is in the same league as well.
So it doesn't really look that new or strange.
Neither I have ever read of an x10 compared to a mobile phone... |
yes, though the Sony RX100 lacks the VF but it's about half of the size of the Fuji X10 with a sensor double the size
Nokia 808, or a N8 with sensor size in between these two is a viable option for a 'always carry', fixed lens compact camera
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rsevx/7222425044/in/photostream _________________ my photos on flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuuan/collections |
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