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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: A 24 mm x 24 mm not-so-toy new toy |
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vilva wrote:
A new toy coming, a fifty years old Robot Star:
A stainless steel body, spring drive, semi-automatic -- it will shoot 25 frames at 5 frames/s if your finger is fast enough, 50 exposures on a standard 36 exp roll of 35 mm film, rotary shutter, X sync at all speeds, very robust -- it can take the g forces encountered by WWII fighter planes (a model with a larger film magazine was used by the German Luftwaffe to record hits), working temperature range exceeds what I can take (I've seen a range from -80C to +80C quoted), so it really isn't a toy. The standard lens is a Schneider-Kreuznach Xenon 1.9/40, a Planar like double Gauss design, supposed to be very good, sharp already wide open. There is also a range of other lenses available.
The recommended way of shooting is rather Pythonesque (Note the quite decent size of the body, it is about the same size as e.g. a Rollei 35 or an Olympus XA, i.e. very small):
Explanation: the viewfinder can be switched from the normal back-to-front direction to left-to-front, there is a second ocular at the left edge of the body or upper/lower edge if the body turned 90 degrees -- may be quite handy at times.
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D |
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: |
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Jesito wrote:
Nice camera, Veijo, congrats!
Are you going to test it with film?
I look forward to see how it can perform.
Best regards,
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Richard_D
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2378 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
Looks a fun toy I look forward to seeing your results _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
What an interesting cam!
I hope you find someone who processes the 24x24 shots, or are you doing it yourself? _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Orio
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
So these are the famous Robot cameras! At least I see one.
I am really curious about your feedback on this one.
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Jesito wrote: |
Nice camera, Veijo, congrats! |
Thanks
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Are you going to test it with film? |
Certainly, I do not just collect cameras, I've every intention of shooting with every camera I buy or at least with the lens, in this case with the camera.
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I look forward to see how it can perform. |
Well, the lens is supposed to be good, and the camera is mechanically very stable compared to the 35 mm folder cameras I've been satisfied with so I expect it to perform well enough -- it is, after all, just a 35 mm camera with the weakest 33% of the frame cropped away.
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D |
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Richard_D wrote: |
Looks a fun toy I look forward to seeing your results |
Seriously speaking, of all the cameras I have, this basically is perhaps furthest from a toy. The basic design has been applied to very many and very serious, demanding purposes. I haven't found a good account in English, but just looking through the pages at http://www.robot-camera.de/ROBOT_Kameras/robot_kameras.html will give an idea even if one doesn't understand German. The account at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_camera does give a reasonable outline in English.
A Robot Star has its limitations, it is a fully manual camera with just scale focusing, but it has one advantage: it will probably just work, even under conditions where most modern cameras fail, and being spring driven it is easier to handle with gloves on than a FED or a folder camera -- or a Rollei 35S, which I had been considering. The lenses are single coated, but the Xenon ought to be about as good as the contemporary Planar of my Rolleiflex 2.8E, the FOV of the 40 mm lens corresponds to an about 95 mm lens on a 6x6.
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D |
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
What an interesting cam! |
Yes, have a look at the www.robot-camera.de pages, there are quite unbelievable things.
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I hope you find someone who processes the 24x24 shots, or are you doing it yourself? |
I'll probably have to do the scanning myself, but anyway, that would be the only cheap way to get a reasonable IQ even with the "normal" 24x36 frame size.
Veijo _________________ Mainly Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar (1938), VPK Meniscus Achromat (1915), TTH Cooke Anastigmat (1917), TTH Cooke Aviar (1937), Goerz Dopp-Anastigmat III Dagor (1912), Voigländer Heliar (1928) or Aldis Uno Series III (1903 design) mounted on EOS 5D or EOS 350D |
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Richard_D
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2378 Location: Faversham Kent UK
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
It's a wonderfully designed camera and 3'm glad you're going to use it. I can understand purely collecting cameras but it wouldn't be for me. These things were built to be used. _________________ Richard
The interesting bit:
Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
Other: Asahi Super Takumar 55 mm f2 (M42) ,Tamron 300mm f5.6 SP, Tamron 500mm f8 SP.
DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
Sub-Minature: Pentax Auto 110, 18mm f2.8, 24mm f2.8, 50mm f2.8.
More to come... |
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Flor27
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Posts: 1195 Location: Paris, France
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Flor27 wrote:
Richard_D wrote: |
These things were built to be used. |
For sure, look at that film magazines availables :
_________________ Switching from M42 to Minolta MD & Contax/Yashica |
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Farside
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
Flor27 wrote: |
Richard_D wrote: |
These things were built to be used. |
For sure, look at that film magazines availables : |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
vilva wrote: |
A Robot Star has its limitations, it is a fully manual camera with just scale focusing, but it has one advantage: it will probably just work, even under conditions where most modern cameras fail, and being spring driven it is easier to handle with gloves on than a FED or a folder camera -- or a Rollei 35S, which I had been considering. The lenses are single coated, but the Xenon ought to be about as good as the contemporary Planar of my Rolleiflex 2.8E, the FOV of the 40 mm lens corresponds to an about 95 mm lens on a 6x6.
Veijo |
It is some kind of reassurance to have a cam that will work under even extreme conditions. And if the results are only half as good as with a Rollei 35S, you can really expect some great shots. I once have used my mother-in-law's Rollei 35S ... wow, that's a great little cam! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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