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naplam
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject: Modifying Canon firmware for focus confirmation? |
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naplam wrote:
There's a website where some people dump powershot firmwares and modify them with their own custom firmware:
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
They haven't done it yet with eos reflex cameras, mainly because all features they add to powershots are already present in high-end cameras. Recently, they have been able to decrypt the 20d, 30d and 400d firmware, and I just realized the number one upgrade we need: focus confirmation without chip!! I'll try to decrypt my 400d firmware and peek into it. Maybe I can do something |
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peterqd
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Wow, that would be a great idea! It could make you a fortune Naplam! _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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poilu
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
thanks napalm
please also add liveview _________________ T* |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
poilu wrote: |
please also add liveview |
The EOS 300D has been hacked by some Russian guys some years ago and as an "EOS 310D" (as it was often called) offered similar features to an EOS 10D.
AF-confirmation without the chip, just like in Nikons, would be a great think to have... _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Keep us posted - that would open up a whole load more lenses to Canon owners.
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Farside
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
That would be incredibly useful, but I'm not holding my breath What would be wonderful would be in-body IS, sadly beyond the reach of firmware. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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Juanma
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Juanma wrote:
Another good thing would be a mode in which when shutter was pressed, the camera didn't fire until focus is confirmed. That would be really helpful for MF shooting. I think Pentaxes do both. _________________ Juanma
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Attila
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
One times I updated a dvd player firmware and not worked any more.. so be carefully... _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Juanma wrote: |
Another good thing would be a mode in which when shutter was pressed, the camera didn't fire until focus is confirmed. That would be really helpful for MF shooting. |
Oh, I hope not. That would be a disaster for me! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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naplam
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 469 Location: Spain
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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naplam wrote:
Hehe you all got really excited! I have disassembled the firmware but it will be time consuming to analyze, which means I'll probably be fed up before I do anything actually useful. I've also tried to modify the sensor cleaning animation image but I need to figure out where the file checksum is because it won't accept the modified firmware as is.
Attila wrote: |
One times I updated a dvd player firmware and not worked any more.. so be carefully... |
I know, it's risky. There's also another way without modifying the firmware, which is how CHDK (the modified firmware for powershots, ixus, g7..) does it; it boots itself from the SD card but it doesn't modify the existing firmware. That may or may not be convenient for confirming focus, I'm not ruling out any option. |
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naplam
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 469 Location: Spain
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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naplam wrote:
poilu wrote: |
please also add liveview |
I guess that's either impossible or quite complicated.
LucisPictor wrote: |
The EOS 300D has been hacked by some Russian guys some years ago and as an "EOS 310D" (as it was often called) offered similar features to an EOS 10D.
AF-confirmation without the chip, just like in Nikons, would be a great think to have... |
Yeah, the 300D had a sort of MSDOS. Now they run VxWorks or a propietary Canon OS in the newest cameras. Curiously, it's also russian guys who've made CHDK. I've always wondered why so many russians are into reverse-engineering. |
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naplam
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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naplam wrote:
I've managed to calculate the file checksum and patch the loader to bypass some other checks, so I can now load in the camera anything I want. Now comes the most complicated/time-consuming work, figuring out how to always confirm focus. |
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patrickh
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
naplam that's amazing
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
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F16SUNSHINE
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
Bravo
I hope you suceed Naplam. Then I hope canon gets wind of it and pisses themselves. These greedy camera companies could treat us all much better. They really hit hard with the prices that are charged. Good of you to hit back |
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Attila
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Good luck Naplam! You do a risky business, but if you will be success...That would be wonderful! _________________ -------------------------------
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Juanma wrote: |
Another good thing would be a mode in which when shutter was pressed, the camera didn't fire until focus is confirmed. That would be really helpful for MF shooting. |
Oh, I hope not. That would be a disaster for me! |
Of course, you need to be able to activate and deactivate this feature. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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naplam
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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naplam wrote:
I'm still working on it, erm one quick question, to people who may have slow EF-compatible lenses (or canon teleconverters): when you put a slower than f/5.6 lens (EF-compatible and recognised by the body, not MF w/adapter), does the camera body disable autofocus altogether (because it sees the lens max. aperture is above f/5.6) or does it try to focus (successfully focusing if there's plenty of light)? and if you switch the lens to M, does it confirm focus if there's enough light or confirmation is disabled? |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I once had an AF Tamron 28-300 that offered only f6.3 at 300mm, but AF worked as usual. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Juanma
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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Juanma wrote:
I think that the AF works just to f6.3. The third party makers as Sigma and Tamron know, so their modern slowest AF lenses are no slower than f6.3. After that AF is disconnected.
For example, I recently bought a 2x Kenko teleconverter. That's the MC 7 model. My f4 lenses are now "transformed" to f8. The camera still autofocuses if there is good light, but that's because the teleconverter doesn't tell the camera that it's there, so the camera thinks that it has a f4 lens attached. If the teleconverter were the Canon model, AF would be disabled, because the Canon one tells the camera that it's there, and doubles the focal lenght and the aperture, and at f8, AF is disconnected.
After my tests, I think that a EOS 30D can focus well at f8 if there is good light, and cannot focus if there isn't. So to avoid problem with the costumers, AF is disabled at f6.3 so there are no complaints. _________________ Juanma
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I am more and more of the opinion that Veijo expressed in the Robot thread.
When there is fast action and not much time to manual focus, AF often fails as it rarely can track optimally moving subjects, especially when there are many subjects moving. In those situation, manual prefocusing (the technique I used for the Carnival for instance) often gives higher useable shots rates.
When shooting still subjects, with no time pressure, well, unless someone has a very weak sight, or uses a very cheap dark camera, the advantage of having an autofocus system escapes my understanding...
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Juanma
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Juanma wrote:
Orio, the prefocusing technique works very good with autofocus, as long as the focused object follow a predictible path. One of my passions is the Formula-1. When I go to the track, I prefocus on the zone the car is going to pass, and after that, the focusing process using AF is almost instantaneous. I can follow the car with the AI-Servo in a way that would be much more difficult with manual focusing. And I can tell you that it works.
I enjoy very much MF lenses for the moments that I am not in a hurry, but machines, properly driven (talking about cameras, not cars ) are faster than humans, for the moments that it's needed.
P.D. If you give me your 5D I promise not to shot any still subject with an AF lens anymore _________________ Juanma
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naplam
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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naplam wrote:
Thanks for the answers so it's safe to assume AF and confirmation are enabled if max Av>0 and <=f/6.3. |
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hacksawbob
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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hacksawbob wrote:
I had a peek at the 350D firmware when I got the camera, I didn't get anywhere with it! I am wondering if the firmware that controls the AF confirm is hardcoded onto a ROM chip separate from the OS. Thats what I would do if I was a money grabbing mutinational. _________________ LENS LIST |
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naplam
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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naplam wrote:
hacksawbob wrote: |
I had a peek at the 350D firmware when I got the camera, I didn't get anywhere with it! I am wondering if the firmware that controls the AF confirm is hardcoded onto a ROM chip separate from the OS. Thats what I would do if I was a money grabbing mutinational. |
That's likely to be the case, but we can probably control it from the main chip, or make the whole camera believe an EF lens is attached or something. I have already some ideas about what to do, but right now I'd have to do it uploading a modified firmware -which i can- , risking turning the camera into a brick, so I want to take a different approach, modifying just the loader/updater (which the camera reads from the firmware file and executes) and returning to the original firmware in the camera, so in case of error nothing happens -this I haven't been able to do successfully yet. |
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hacksawbob
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hacksawbob wrote:
My thought was to have an AF chip permanently mounted to the Eos body I don't know how easy it would be, The AF chip would need to be much thinner and allow mounting of standard AF EOS lenses via some sort of pass through availability. Mounting it may be problematic but it is only a case of physical engineering rather than software. I am sure the AF chips could be reverse engineered easier than the canon software. In some ways you are reinventing the wheel. Although I wonder sometimes whether the AF chip inventors have the secret to the firmware patch, But if theyreleased a firmware patch there would be no way to make a profit from your hard work as you will only sell one copy and it will be all over file sharing sites in 24hours! Do you not think it would be easier to decode the chip? _________________ LENS LIST |
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