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Attila
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 Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:43 pm Post subject: ICA Sirene 135 |
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Attila wrote:
My first large format camera 9x12cm ~ made around 1920. Almost one century old and looks brand new ! Guys I can't believe it when I saw it in shop. I don't have cut film holder for it to try it out.
Shutter works at all speed from 1sec to 1/250 
I found and article on net somebody made hole on film holder instead of use a piece of cardboard....
http://sonyalphanex.blogspot.com/2011/03/sony-nex-5-with-sirene-135-large-format.html
Veijo did try it out already lens on digital.
http://galactinus.net/vilva/retro/eos5d_dagor.html
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Impressive how he mounts a Nex-5 on this large format. 
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Attila
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
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| Impressive how he mounts a Nex-5 on this large format. |
Oh yes. he was stupid , ruin a camera never get my respect.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Olivier wrote: |
| Impressive how he mounts a Nex-5 on this large format. |
Oh yes. he was stupid , ruin a camera never get my respect. |
Yes, I agree.
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
The guy was very stupid. He made a hole in the leather cover of the groundglass back it looks like.
The original groundglass back isn't replaceable. These go with the camera. You can get one from some other 9x12 camera but its not original equipment; these are marked by the camera maker for good brands like ICA. Extra groundglass backs are rare, because just one was made per camera, and many have been lost.
The leather back is also loose, not perpendicular, and not stable.
Its easy to find a pack film back for 9x12, there are plenty of them. These are useless now. I don't have a problem with cutting a hole in them. There are also many bad 9x12 film or plate backs, which are often bent, separated or have no slides or septums.
Just make one back like this and you have a DSLR back for all 9x12.
At least he could have removed the leather part, these are removable, and mounted thin plastic in place of the groundglass and cut a hole in that.
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Attila
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Agree I also saw plenty of not usable 9x12 film back, today in local shop I bought only one good one, might be I will buy more and make a cut on it for NEX.
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Attila
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
#1
#2
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Nice one !
Looks like its in great condition.
The shutter is a Deckel Compound, but without cable release.
I think this must be rather old, from the early 1920's or even pre-1914.
Also this was a high end model to have a Compound shutter, but there is no rack and pinion focusing gear, which is another sign it is early I think.
What is the lens ?
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Attila wrote:
Many thanks for identification! Lens is Goerz Berlin Serie III Dop Anastigmat
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luisalegria wrote:
What id the f/ of the Goerz lens ?
If it is f/4.5 it may be an earlier version of the Celor or Dogmar, which was a doppel anastigmat of normal coverage.
If f/6.8 it may be a Syntor which was a cheaper version also of normal coverage.
If it was a Dagor I think they would have marked it Dagor, as that was a premium lens.
Here is a Goerz catalog of 1916 -
http://www.cameramanuals.org/prof_pdf/goerz-1.pdf
This may be from before Goerz started naming their doppel anastigmats ?
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| Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
It is Dagor 150mm f6.8
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| Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:19 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Dagor !
Golden word
The lens itself has a good resale value - maybe $ 100 in the nice shutter.
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Farside wrote:
Nice one. The lure of 9x12 is irresistable (demonic laughter)... 
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| Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
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| Nice one. The lure of 9x12 is irresistable (demonic laughter)... |
how can I focus with matte plate ? because shutter is closed, have to set shutter to B or T ?
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:26 am Post subject: |
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how can I focus with matte plate ? because shutter is closed, have to set shutter to B or T ? |
Yes, the T setting will hold the shutter open. Once you get used to the necessary sequence of shooting, you stop wasting film I've shot a few blanks and needlessly exposed a few plates to full daylight.
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how can I focus with matte plate ? because shutter is closed, have to set shutter to B or T ? |
Yes, the T setting will hold the shutter open. Once you get used to the necessary sequence of shooting, you stop wasting film I've shot a few blanks and needlessly exposed a few plates to full daylight. |
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Orio wrote:
Such a beautiful object! I can't wait for the photos.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I box of cut film travelling to me, can you give me good advice how can I start to try this camera ?
Should I buy a black blank sheet first to cover my self while focusing
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luisalegria wrote:
Try photo paper first
Cheap way to get used to using the camera.
Also its very quick and easy to develop.
You don't want to waste 9x12 film and the time needed to develop this properly.
I don't need a sheet to cover me while focusing. The hood on the groundglass is usually enough.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| luisalegria wrote: |
Try photo paper first
Cheap way to get used to using the camera.
Also its very quick and easy to develop.
You don't want to waste 9x12 film and the time needed to develop this properly.
I don't need a sheet to cover me while focusing. The hood on the groundglass is usually enough. |
Good idea ! thanks!
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