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kryss
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:04 pm Post subject: Overpriced apo lathar 125mm f2.5 |
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kryss wrote:
Expected bidding war on this item on ebay drives price paid,obviously not an item an experienced buyer would get involved with,also as an experienced macro photographer I have a number of lenses that produce equal or better results than this cult lens,sold mine 12 months ago in ex++ for $1400 and bought motorized focusing rail and put $900 in bank to spend on other worthwhile items. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
To people need luxury items, not only good working which is good job well. This is true for clothes, cars houses, photography is not an exception.
If we make things to deadly simple a Helios-44 + extension rings do job pretty well in macro photography and some how we can see many, many macro lenses _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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kryss
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 2169 Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
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komet
Joined: 22 Oct 2009 Posts: 28
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Overpriced apo lathar 125mm f2.5 |
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komet wrote:
kryss wrote: |
I have a number of lenses that produce equal or better results than this cult lens,. |
Would you please specify these lenses? |
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pst
Joined: 25 Aug 2010 Posts: 108 Location: Austria
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: |
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pst wrote:
@kryss:
This lens might be overpriced, but you could extend this statement to many other lenses in the photography world. But this is not my point.
Like komet in the previous post I would also like to know which lenses give "equal or better results". There are not too many true apo lenses out there.
I'm not arguing for or against this lens, just curious... _________________ Regards, Patrick. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16661 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Overpriced apo lathar 125mm f2.5 |
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kds315* wrote:
kryss wrote: |
.... as an experienced macro photographer I have a number of lenses that produce equal or better results than this cult lens,sold mine 12 months ago in ex++ for $1400 and bought motorized focusing rail and put $900 in bank to spend on other worthwhile items. |
I seriously doubt that. I do "a little bit" macro myself, also professionally, but to beat an Apo Lanthar 125mm is not an easy one. But it really depends on how to use it - to drive a Ferrari in the London rush hour from A to B certainly doesn't let the Ferrari shine. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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kryss
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 2169 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
My point was that it is/was not worth $2000,and after 50years of experience as a photographer(30 of them shooting & selling macro prints to interior designers,horticulturists etc.) I feel confident in my statement and regardless of cost equipment is only as good as the user.There are many examples of this on this site when used by competent photographers,I was not aware one could buy experience. |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16661 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Well, I payed much less for mine many years ago, but I still won't sell it as only the Macro Apo Elmarit comes close to it in my humble opinion. Sure, I also use other lenses for shooting macro (easy when you have more than 600 here ), but still if we talk about the last percent in performance, nothing beats it. But I fully agree that the "normal" shooter won't see much difference to a - say - Kiron 105mm _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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komet
Joined: 22 Oct 2009 Posts: 28
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Overpriced apo lathar 125mm f2.5 |
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komet wrote:
kryss wrote: |
I have a number of lenses that produce equal or better results than this cult lens. |
Please specify the names of those lenses, that would be very interesting for many people. |
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kryss
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 2169 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
komet,please read my penultimate post,"there are many examples of this on this site,when used by competent photographers". |
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Tervueren
Joined: 18 May 2011 Posts: 1177 Location: West Sussex, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Tervueren wrote:
I think one sold here not long ago for around 1200 Euro, I bought mine in a Sony/Minolta mount for just over half of that |
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komet
Joined: 22 Oct 2009 Posts: 28
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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komet wrote:
kryss wrote: |
komet,please read my penultimate post,"there are many examples of this on this site,when used by competent photographers". |
The names of these lenses would have been very interesting. I have that 125mm Voigtländer and I know no better macro lens from infinity to 1:1. |
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lauge
Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Posts: 101 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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lauge wrote:
What is so special about this lens that can't be had in other premium lenses that makes it increase this amount in value beside collection value? _________________ M42:
S-M-C Takumar: 3.5/28 1.4/50 2.8/105
USSR: Industar 61L/Z
CZJ: Flektogon 2.4/35
MD:
Rokkor: 35-70/3.5
Kiron: 2.8/105 Macro
OM:
Zuiko: 50/1.8 75-150/4
Sigma: 24/2.8
Cameras:
Asahi Spotmatic F (looking for a sample with working light meter)
Olympus OM-1
Zeiss Ikon Contaflex IV
NEX 7 Sony A55 Konica Minolta Dynax 5D Minolta Dynax 7 Minolta AF 7000 |
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kryss
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
Hi lauge,as a professional with many years shooting macro and making above average income, in a word..nothing. |
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james
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Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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james wrote:
kryss wrote: |
Hi lauge,as a professional with many years shooting macro and making above average income, in a word..nothing. |
Have you actually ever used the lens? |
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kryss
Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Posts: 2169 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:13 am Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
James, please read my original post. |
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Tervueren
Joined: 18 May 2011 Posts: 1177 Location: West Sussex, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Tervueren wrote:
that will be a no then |
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poilu
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:21 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
That is an amazing lens indeed.
And the question of being "overpriced" or not has been discussed in another thread recently.
I guess "overpriced" is pretty much subjective.
If someone wealthy wants to have exactly what this lens offers, no price would be overpriced.
For me, this Lanthar is definitely overpriced, because I would never spend so much money on one lens and I hardly ever shoot macros.
You get what I mean, right?
This Apo Lanthar perhaps is a good example for a lens that is "overpriced" but not "overrated", i.e. it's a bit too expensive for the reasonable customer , but it performancewise meets its reputation. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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kryss
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
Thank you,as I stated overpriced not over rated.I used one for year or two and finally sold it. I seem to have upset a few people with my opinion stated from experience and I assure them I am more than able to afford any piece of equipment but am not stupid enough to overpay just to say I own one when equal results can be obtained from other lenses. |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
kryss wrote: |
... I am more than able to afford any piece of equipment ... |
Lucky you! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
Things ON SALE
Carsten = "KAPCTEH" = "Karusutenu" | T-shirt?.........................My photos from Emilia: http://www.schouler.net/emilia/emilia2011.html
My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
http://www.retrocamera.de |
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Frogfish
Joined: 06 Apr 2010 Posts: 57 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Frogfish wrote:
kryss wrote: |
komet,please read my penultimate post,"there are many examples of this on this site,when used by competent photographers". |
Sorry Kryss but that is a total cop-out. You made a statement but now can not back it up. Words are cheap, I seriously doubt it is true if you can't name names. _________________ http://frogfish.smugmug.com/
Nikon D800E, D600, Zeiss Distagon 21/2.8, Zeiss Distagon 35/2, Nikon 300/2.8 VRII, Sigma 500/4.5 (for sale), Sigma 120-300/2.8, Nikon 85/1.8G, Sigma 50/1.4, Nikon TC20EIII, Nikon TC14EII, Sigma DG x2.0 |
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kryss
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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kryss wrote:
frogfish, how is it a cop out when my point was and is that $2000 is not justified for this lens,I base this on many years of successfully selling macro work and having owned and used this lens.I suggest you stop being lazy and read the many articles on the subject of macro,which in itself is very difficult to master,after all isn't this forum popular for the knowledge it imparts for those who are willing to learn?. |
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poilu
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
kryss wrote: |
I suggest you stop being lazy and read the many articles on the subject of macro,which in itself is very difficult to master |
suggesting to Frogfish to stop being lazy and read articles is a personal attack
check his smugmug, you will see that he is not a beginner
please keep the discussion friendly
Frogfish wrote: |
Sorry Kryss but that is a total cop-out. You made a statement but now can not back it up. Words are cheap, I seriously doubt it is true if you can't name names |
I give links for 3 lens free of CA, what other back up do you need ? _________________ T* |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
poilu wrote: |
please keep the discussion friendly
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I'd like to support that. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
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My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
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