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ducdao
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 288 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:06 am Post subject: Yashinon 5cm f2 M42 preset - any thought? |
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ducdao wrote:
Hi all -
Just won the auction on FleeBay. I think for $50 incl. shipping is a pretty high price for that lens, but I really want it since it's so pretty and reminds me of the Auto Takumar 50/f2 which I like a lot
This is the picture of the lens from the seller.
Anyone has any experience with that lens? How is it in term of IQ and contrast? Yashinon is a well known brand so I figure out that chances to get a good lens from it is pretty high.
Thanks! _________________ Duc
Pentax K100D/K10D/K20D/K-x/K-7 | DA15/ 35/40/70 Limited | DA10-17 | DA14 | DA* 50-135
Takumar: 24/3.5 | 28/3.5 | 35/2 | 35/2.3 | 35/3.5 | 50/1.4 | 55/1.8 | 85/1.8 | 85/1.9 | 105f2.8 | 135/2.5 | 135/3.5 | 150/4 | 200/4 | 300/4
Pentax: K20/4 | M20/4 | M28/3.5 | K30/2.8 | K35/3.5 | M50/1.4 | M50/1.7 | K50/1.2 | K50/1.4 | K55/1.8 | A50/1.4 | M85/2 | M100/2.8 | K105/2.8 | M100/f4 | M135/3.5 | K135/2.5 | M150/4 | M200/4 | M300/4
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:29 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Very interesting, and I think quite uncommon.
This is an M42, but the earliest Yashica SLR had its own unique bayonet.
So this has to be from the earliest Yashica J-series, when Yashica switched to M42, maybe 1962-63
Maybe it came from one of these -
http://whitemetal.com/yashica/j3/index.htm _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:40 am Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
I have one and here is the samples. I think the PQ is quiet good consider its age.
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ducdao
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 288 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:10 am Post subject: |
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ducdao wrote:
Hi Calvin - are you sure it's the right topic? I can't see any of your posts nor any mentions related to the Yashinon _________________ Duc
Pentax K100D/K10D/K20D/K-x/K-7 | DA15/ 35/40/70 Limited | DA10-17 | DA14 | DA* 50-135
Takumar: 24/3.5 | 28/3.5 | 35/2 | 35/2.3 | 35/3.5 | 50/1.4 | 55/1.8 | 85/1.8 | 85/1.9 | 105f2.8 | 135/2.5 | 135/3.5 | 150/4 | 200/4 | 300/4
Pentax: K20/4 | M20/4 | M28/3.5 | K30/2.8 | K35/3.5 | M50/1.4 | M50/1.7 | K50/1.2 | K50/1.4 | K55/1.8 | A50/1.4 | M85/2 | M100/2.8 | K105/2.8 | M100/f4 | M135/3.5 | K135/2.5 | M150/4 | M200/4 | M300/4
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ducdao
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 288 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:14 am Post subject: |
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ducdao wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
Very interesting, and I think quite uncommon.
This is an M42, but the earliest Yashica SLR had its own unique bayonet.
So this has to be from the earliest Yashica J-series, when Yashica switched to M42, maybe 1962-63
Maybe it came from one of these -
http://whitemetal.com/yashica/j3/index.htm |
Yes, it's it! Mine is sexier though Can't wait to have it then try it out! _________________ Duc
Pentax K100D/K10D/K20D/K-x/K-7 | DA15/ 35/40/70 Limited | DA10-17 | DA14 | DA* 50-135
Takumar: 24/3.5 | 28/3.5 | 35/2 | 35/2.3 | 35/3.5 | 50/1.4 | 55/1.8 | 85/1.8 | 85/1.9 | 105f2.8 | 135/2.5 | 135/3.5 | 150/4 | 200/4 | 300/4
Pentax: K20/4 | M20/4 | M28/3.5 | K30/2.8 | K35/3.5 | M50/1.4 | M50/1.7 | K50/1.2 | K50/1.4 | K55/1.8 | A50/1.4 | M85/2 | M100/2.8 | K105/2.8 | M100/f4 | M135/3.5 | K135/2.5 | M150/4 | M200/4 | M300/4
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:00 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I have a similar lens but chrome. Yours isn't a preset though. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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ducdao
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 288 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: |
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ducdao wrote:
martinsmith99 wrote: |
I have a similar lens but chrome. Yours isn't a preset though. |
Hi - looking at the picture from seller, it seems a preset to me. Look at the aperture ring in the front of the lens. _________________ Duc
Pentax K100D/K10D/K20D/K-x/K-7 | DA15/ 35/40/70 Limited | DA10-17 | DA14 | DA* 50-135
Takumar: 24/3.5 | 28/3.5 | 35/2 | 35/2.3 | 35/3.5 | 50/1.4 | 55/1.8 | 85/1.8 | 85/1.9 | 105f2.8 | 135/2.5 | 135/3.5 | 150/4 | 200/4 | 300/4
Pentax: K20/4 | M20/4 | M28/3.5 | K30/2.8 | K35/3.5 | M50/1.4 | M50/1.7 | K50/1.2 | K50/1.4 | K55/1.8 | A50/1.4 | M85/2 | M100/2.8 | K105/2.8 | M100/f4 | M135/3.5 | K135/2.5 | M150/4 | M200/4 | M300/4
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3438 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
Aperture ring in front is unusual for other then preset, but it is called Auto Yashinon, wht means that it is not a preset. The A/M switch is protruding and only to be found, combined with auto aperture lenses. |
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luisalegria
Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 6602 Location: San Francisco, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:52 am Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
This is one of those weird in-between lenses - we could call it a semi-auto.
Asahi, Zeiss, and some others made this type for a while in the 1950's-early 1960's. This Yashinon must be one of the last of the type.
You set the aperture, and then cock the lens (that what the big knob is for). Until you cock the knob the aperture is manual. When its cocked the lens is opened to full aperture. When the shutter is tripped the pressure plate hits the pin (on M42's like this), shutting the aperture to the pre-set opening.
So, unlike a later automatic, this type requires you to cock it first in order for the "automatic" feature to work.
Advantage (apparently) - This mechanism can be made more robust than the later type. It isn't dependent on the weak springs and the need for dry-lubed shutter leaves, etc. You can give it a powerful spring to shut down the aperture. _________________ I like Pentax DSLR's, Exaktas, M42 bodies of all kinds, strange and cheap Japanese lenses, and am dabbling in medium format/Speed Graphic work. |
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ducdao
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 288 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:29 am Post subject: |
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ducdao wrote:
luisalegria wrote: |
This is one of those weird in-between lenses - we could call it a semi-auto.
Asahi, Zeiss, and some others made this type for a while in the 1950's-early 1960's. This Yashinon must be one of the last of the type.
You set the aperture, and then cock the lens (that what the big knob is for). Until you cock the knob the aperture is manual. When its cocked the lens is opened to full aperture. When the shutter is tripped the pressure plate hits the pin (on M42's like this), shutting the aperture to the pre-set opening.
So, unlike a later automatic, this type requires you to cock it first in order for the "automatic" feature to work.
Advantage (apparently) - This mechanism can be made more robust than the later type. It isn't dependent on the weak springs and the need for dry-lubed shutter leaves, etc. You can give it a powerful spring to shut down the aperture. |
You're right. It has the same mechanism as the Auto-Takumar where you have to cock the knob.
See link below. I have several of those Auto Takumar and I really love them. Can't wait to try the Yashinon and see which one is better.
http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Auto-Takumar-55mm-F2.2.html _________________ Duc
Pentax K100D/K10D/K20D/K-x/K-7 | DA15/ 35/40/70 Limited | DA10-17 | DA14 | DA* 50-135
Takumar: 24/3.5 | 28/3.5 | 35/2 | 35/2.3 | 35/3.5 | 50/1.4 | 55/1.8 | 85/1.8 | 85/1.9 | 105f2.8 | 135/2.5 | 135/3.5 | 150/4 | 200/4 | 300/4
Pentax: K20/4 | M20/4 | M28/3.5 | K30/2.8 | K35/3.5 | M50/1.4 | M50/1.7 | K50/1.2 | K50/1.4 | K55/1.8 | A50/1.4 | M85/2 | M100/2.8 | K105/2.8 | M100/f4 | M135/3.5 | K135/2.5 | M150/4 | M200/4 | M300/4
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
ducdao wrote: |
Hi Calvin - are you sure it's the right topic? I can't see any of your posts nor any mentions related to the Yashinon |
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eggboy
Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 190 Location: Western Massachusetts, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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eggboy wrote:
This is actually one of my fave lenses. I have never seen any diagram of it's composition, so I assume it's some typical variation of a 6 element double gauss design. I use it for portraits on a Canon 40D fairly frequently. It really renders quite nicely:
_________________ Eugene
Current Fave Lenses:
Nikkor S.C 5cm/1.4 Rangefinder with Amadeo S>M Mount
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 5cm/2 Contax RF c. 1937,
Nikkor-N 28/2 Nikon F mount
Digital Cameras:
Nikon Z 6II, Panasonic GX8
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Ansco B2 6x9 Box Camera
Bronica S2
Nikon F2
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casualcollector
Joined: 01 Aug 2008 Posts: 749 Location: Spaced out on Florida's Space Coast
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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casualcollector wrote:
A neat piece of history. A bit of a step back for Yashica as the earlier, bayonet mount Pentamatic lenses had fully automatic aperture function. _________________ In Search Of "R" Serial Soligors
Found: 135/2.8 #R407660, 200/4 #R405526, 300/5.5 #R411127 |
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Cobalt60
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 544 Location: Central Europe
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Cobalt60 wrote:
But I guess this is only true for the two standard 55mm and 58mm lenses and not throughout the Y bayonet lineup. _________________ Visit the Yashica Information Site! |
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eggboy
Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 190 Location: Western Massachusetts, USA
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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eggboy wrote:
I've seen this lens also marked as Tomioka.
A certain eBay seller has several of them listed, the focus ring is silver, not black, but otherwise looks identical...if I thought I could get US$400 or more, I would sell my Yashica! Any takers?
Click here to see on Ebay
I think this lens was not originally supposed to be a Yashica, but either an OEM lens (Takumar? Looks VERY similar) or sold as a third party lens, so it wouldn't have the proprietary Pentamatic mechanism.
BTW, I've a M42 Yashinon-R 3.5cm preset that looks exactly like the same lens in the Pentamatic mount. I assume Yashica, Tominon and the recently acquired Nicca camera company were probably rationalizing/rearranging all their different offerings at the time (very early 1960s)
I have to say the build quality on my 5cm is quite excellent, better than the later Yashinon DX lenses I've seen and owned. And, it looks pretty similar to the contemporary Tak, IMHO. _________________ Eugene
Current Fave Lenses:
Nikkor S.C 5cm/1.4 Rangefinder with Amadeo S>M Mount
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 5cm/2 Contax RF c. 1937,
Nikkor-N 28/2 Nikon F mount
Digital Cameras:
Nikon Z 6II, Panasonic GX8
Film Cameras:
Ansco B2 6x9 Box Camera
Bronica S2
Nikon F2
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ducdao
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 288 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:45 am Post subject: |
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ducdao wrote:
eggboy wrote: |
I've seen this lens also marked as Tomioka.
A certain eBay seller has several of them listed, the focus ring is silver, not black, but otherwise looks identical...if I thought I could get US$400 or more, I would sell my Yashica! Any takers?
Click here to see on Ebay
I think this lens was not originally supposed to be a Yashica, but either an OEM lens (Takumar? Looks VERY similar) or sold as a third party lens, so it wouldn't have the proprietary Pentamatic mechanism.
BTW, I've a M42 Yashinon-R 3.5cm preset that looks exactly like the same lens in the Pentamatic mount. I assume Yashica, Tominon and the recently acquired Nicca camera company were probably rationalizing/rearranging all their different offerings at the time (very early 1960s)
I have to say the build quality on my 5cm is quite excellent, better than the later Yashinon DX lenses I've seen and owned. And, it looks pretty similar to the contemporary Tak, IMHO. |
Wow that BIN price is insanely high for a 50mm/f2 lens! That same seller has at least 3-4 copies of the same lens. I wonder if he ever sold any of those at that price
Well I can't complain too much for paying my Yashinon for $50 incl. shipping _________________ Duc
Pentax K100D/K10D/K20D/K-x/K-7 | DA15/ 35/40/70 Limited | DA10-17 | DA14 | DA* 50-135
Takumar: 24/3.5 | 28/3.5 | 35/2 | 35/2.3 | 35/3.5 | 50/1.4 | 55/1.8 | 85/1.8 | 85/1.9 | 105f2.8 | 135/2.5 | 135/3.5 | 150/4 | 200/4 | 300/4
Pentax: K20/4 | M20/4 | M28/3.5 | K30/2.8 | K35/3.5 | M50/1.4 | M50/1.7 | K50/1.2 | K50/1.4 | K55/1.8 | A50/1.4 | M85/2 | M100/2.8 | K105/2.8 | M100/f4 | M135/3.5 | K135/2.5 | M150/4 | M200/4 | M300/4
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
I like how this lens is almost an exact copy of the 55mm F/2 Auto-Takumar. Unfortunately the focusing goes the other way round, so it's not like Asahi Opt. Co. made this lens for Yashica.
(I know that at certain points in time the Takumars have been sold to other companies, such as Alpa and a few obscure Japanese makers which existed for a VERY short time). _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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calvin83
Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 7555 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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calvin83 wrote:
From the following link, Tomioka is the exclusive lens supplier for Yashica from late 1949.
http://www.tlr-cameras.com/japanese/Tomioka%20Lenses.html _________________ https://lensfever.com/
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Univer
Joined: 30 Jun 2009 Posts: 282
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Univer wrote:
Spotmatic wrote: |
I like how this lens is almost an exact copy of the 55mm F/2 Auto-Takumar. Unfortunately the focusing goes the other way round, so it's not like Asahi Opt. Co. made this lens for Yashica.
(I know that at certain points in time the Takumars have been sold to other companies, such as Alpa and a few obscure Japanese makers which existed for a VERY short time). |
Hi All,
Quite right: the focus rings do turn in opposite directions. And when you have the two lenses side-by-side, there are lots of other small-but-significant differences that emerge. For example, the Yashinon is significantly heavier than the Tak, and the number of aperture blades is different. There are several other minor design differences as well. It's definitely not like the case of the Yashinon and the Tominon: those two are definitely twins.
On the other hand, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to discover that some of the components of the Tak and the Yashinon, like the aperture-cocking lever, were sourced from a common supplier. (I'm not saying I know that to be true, just wondering aloud.) That sort of practice would seem to be consistent with what we know of the Japanese lens industry of this era.
The Yashinon (the Tak too!) is one of my favorites at this focal length and maximum aperture.
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ducdao
Joined: 19 Jun 2010 Posts: 288 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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ducdao wrote:
Interesting article. Thanks for sharing. Based on the article and the resemblance between the Tominon 5cm/f2 and Yashinon 5cm/f2 I think we can safely guess that the latter is a rebadged of the former. _________________ Duc
Pentax K100D/K10D/K20D/K-x/K-7 | DA15/ 35/40/70 Limited | DA10-17 | DA14 | DA* 50-135
Takumar: 24/3.5 | 28/3.5 | 35/2 | 35/2.3 | 35/3.5 | 50/1.4 | 55/1.8 | 85/1.8 | 85/1.9 | 105f2.8 | 135/2.5 | 135/3.5 | 150/4 | 200/4 | 300/4
Pentax: K20/4 | M20/4 | M28/3.5 | K30/2.8 | K35/3.5 | M50/1.4 | M50/1.7 | K50/1.2 | K50/1.4 | K55/1.8 | A50/1.4 | M85/2 | M100/2.8 | K105/2.8 | M100/f4 | M135/3.5 | K135/2.5 | M150/4 | M200/4 | M300/4
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