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Nikos
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: Northern Greece tour (on the road - part 1) |
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Nikos wrote:
I am on the road on my northern Greece tour.
Here are some photos. Enjoy.
Enjoy them properly, because uploading at 1.6kb/sec is SLOW
#1 Meteora
#2 Meteora
#3 Zeiss 2/100 Makro Planar ZE
#4 And a wedding!!
They took me by surprise and I was forced to use the awful Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS II
105mm, f/9, 1/160sec
Venetikos river bridge
Contax 1,4/50 Planar @ f/2
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Cameras: Canon EOS 5D Mark II, Sony α7R, Sony NEX-5N
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Canon TS-E 17mm f/4, Zeiss 2.8/21 ZE, Zeiss 2/28 Contax, Zeiss 2/35 ZE, Zeiss 1.4/50 Contax, Zeiss 1.4/85 Contax, Zeiss Makro 2/100 ZE,
Zeiss 2/135 Contax, Zeiss 2.8/135 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 35-70 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 100-300 Contax, Zeiss F-Distagon Rollei, Canon FD 24mm f2, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8
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Zeiss 4.5/21 C Biogon ZM, Zeiss 2/35 Biogon ZM, Voigtländer 15mm f/4.5 Heliar L39, Leica Tele-Elmarit 2.8/90mm, Zeiss 2/45 Contax G, Zeiss 2.8/90 Contax G, Canon 50mm 1.8 LTM
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Attila
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Magnificent places, shoots, many thanks for sharing them! _________________ -------------------------------
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nemesis101
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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nemesis101 wrote:
One and Two are just breathtaking....
More details please?
Thanks
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Nikos
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
nemesis101 wrote: |
One and Two are just breathtaking....
More details please?
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Meteora is an UNESCO World Heritage Site, near the town of Trikala.
In greek, meteora means "suspended in the air".
They consist of unique rock formations. The rocks are massive, solid and usually very steep. They were inhabited by monks around year 1000 AD.
Today there are 7 monasteries in operation.
For obvious reasons, they are a famous rock climbing field.
Wikipedia entry
I forgot to mention that #1 and #2 are HDR. The second is also handheld. |
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pich900
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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pich900 wrote:
What a beautifull place, the second one is just "magic" ...... _________________ All my lenses are for sale, nikkor, Angenieux, Zeiss etc.....
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tobbsman
Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 2578 Location: Austria
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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tobbsman wrote:
WOW
Great place and beautifully captured. #1 screams for a pano
Cheers
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bogolisk
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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bogolisk wrote:
#1 is majestic!
#2 is breathtaking! _________________ When I try to be a photographer I manage to add an f to art. |
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Orio
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Wow, dream location!
I like very much the composition in your first two landscape images!
but alas I can not say the same about the HDR. I just can't get myself to like it, I find the images to lack the depth of blacks and to have lost the Zeiss microcontrast on their way to HDR.
In the second one, some rocks appear brighter to me than the mid-tone clouds.
I wish I could see these shots without HDR, with normal processing and just a little fill light or highlight recovery if needed. I'm sure they will look great. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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poilu
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
superb locations!
what laptop do you use for the HDR _________________ T* |
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Nikos
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Wow, dream location!
I wish I could see these shots without HDR, with normal processing and just a little fill light or highlight recovery if needed. I'm sure they will look great. |
I can understand why you do not like HDR.
I had some second thoughts myself, so I have the second one ready.
My concern was the loss of sharpness and definition due to small camera movements.
I guess you also worry about HDR destroying the "character" of the lens.
You may be right.
So, here it is. The difference is not so great as in other situations.
#2 without HDR (only shadows-highlights adjustment)
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Cameras: Canon EOS 5D Mark II, Sony α7R, Sony NEX-5N
MF lenses:
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Canon TS-E 17mm f/4, Zeiss 2.8/21 ZE, Zeiss 2/28 Contax, Zeiss 2/35 ZE, Zeiss 1.4/50 Contax, Zeiss 1.4/85 Contax, Zeiss Makro 2/100 ZE,
Zeiss 2/135 Contax, Zeiss 2.8/135 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 35-70 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 100-300 Contax, Zeiss F-Distagon Rollei, Canon FD 24mm f2, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8
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Nikos
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
poilu wrote: |
superb locations!
what laptop do you use for the HDR |
What laptop? Perhaps you mean what software?
Anyway, I have a Macbook Pro (early 2008 model, 2.5GHz).
The software is Photomatix.
HDR is not so demanding in terms of processing power.
Panorama stitching can be a monster... |
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Orio
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I like it much better, Nikos, because the sky now is more luminous than the rocks, which it's how it ought to be!
I personally would lower even more the fill light. Doesn't matter if you lose a bit of detail in the rocks; you will gain more solidity by letting them be a bit more darker.
Lowering the fill light will improve microcontrast and saturation. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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patrickh
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
Quite agree about the effects of HDR (Dynamic Range Reduction/Compression), it doesn't "feel" right because it is not what the eye sees. Second version is much much better, which is great because this is such a fine series. Keep them rolling please
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Nikos
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
patrickh wrote: |
Quite agree about the effects of HDR (Dynamic Range Reduction/Compression), it doesn't "feel" right because it is not what the eye sees. Second version is much much better, which is great because this is such a fine series. Keep them rolling please
patrickh |
It may be the laptop monitor or it may be my color blindness, but I do not see such a big difference between the two versions.
Anyway, I trust you
If the HDR version didn't come out nice, it is probably my fault.
There are about 200 parameters in this program and I use it
only from time to time |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:57 am Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Fantastic! What a place! Wow!
You have used excellent lenses to shoot great shots.
My fav is the non-HDR #2! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
nkanellopoulos wrote: |
It may be the laptop monitor or it may be my color blindness, but I do not see such a big difference between the two versions.
Anyway, I trust you |
Nikos, it's easy to spot the difference, put the two pictures side by side: in the HDR picture there seems to be a huge flash illuminating the rocks from the camera position; in the normal picture, the light seems to emanate from the sky (as it does). This is why the first image seems unreal and the second image seems realistic. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Tharos
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Tharos wrote:
I visited the place some years ago. It is really a fascinating place. There was a church but it was closed so we could not visit. Too bad I only had point & shoot camera by that time. _________________ Camera : Yashica Electro 35 GS, Canon 450D, Konica C35 AF
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symphonic
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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symphonic wrote:
Great images! I also like the non-HDR better. _________________ Toni,
EOS 450D
CZJ Sonnar 135/3.5 MC | Pancolar 50/1.8 MC
Contax Planar 50/1.4 AEJ | Contax Sonnar 135/2.8 AEJ
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Vivitar Series1 105/2.5 OM
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Nikos
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Nikos, it's easy to spot the difference, put the two pictures side by side: in the HDR picture there seems to be a huge flash illuminating the rocks from the camera position; in the normal picture, the light seems to emanate from the sky (as it does). This is why the first image seems unreal and the second image seems realistic. |
OK.
Do you find this one natural?
EDIT: I think I have found an issue here. In my browser the colors are significantly different than in my viewing program (Preview on Mac).
Both contrasgt and saturation drop significantly. Is the upload mechanism altering the image, even if not resizing it?
EDIT 2: I am using Adobe RGB color. But Safari and Firefox are supposed to know about color profiles... I will also upload an sRGB version to compare them. Are they different?
Adobe RGB
sRGB
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poilu
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
wow! this EF 15 is a CA monster and poor resolution! _________________ T* |
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
I use Opera 10 and a pretty nice Fujitsu-Siemens LCD.
The sRGB shot shows a higher contrast and the shadows seem to be a bit darker than in the AdobeRGB shot, whereas the highlights tend to burn out in the sRGB shot. The greens seem to be more intense in the sRGB shot as well. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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Nikos
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
LucisPictor wrote: |
I use Opera 10 and a pretty nice Fujitsu-Siemens LCD.
The sRGB shot shows a higher contrast and the shadows seem to be a bit darker than in the AdobeRGB shot, whereas the highlights tend to burn out in the sRGB shot. The greens seem to be more intense in the sRGB shot as well. |
The moral of the story: convert to sRGB before posting... _________________ Νίκος • www.diafragma.gr
Cameras: Canon EOS 5D Mark II, Sony α7R, Sony NEX-5N
MF lenses:
SLR:
Canon TS-E 17mm f/4, Zeiss 2.8/21 ZE, Zeiss 2/28 Contax, Zeiss 2/35 ZE, Zeiss 1.4/50 Contax, Zeiss 1.4/85 Contax, Zeiss Makro 2/100 ZE,
Zeiss 2/135 Contax, Zeiss 2.8/135 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 35-70 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 100-300 Contax, Zeiss F-Distagon Rollei, Canon FD 24mm f2, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8
Rangefinder:
Zeiss 4.5/21 C Biogon ZM, Zeiss 2/35 Biogon ZM, Voigtländer 15mm f/4.5 Heliar L39, Leica Tele-Elmarit 2.8/90mm, Zeiss 2/45 Contax G, Zeiss 2.8/90 Contax G, Canon 50mm 1.8 LTM
AF lenses: Canon 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye, Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L, Canon 70-200 f/2.8 L IS II, Canon 70-200 f/4 L, Canon 300 f/4 L IS, Canon 100 f/2.8 macro
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Orio
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Nikos, the two images seem identical on Firefox and they are both the best version of the image that you made so far. The deep blacks in the rocks give the rocks the needed "weight". _________________ Orio, Administrator
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LucisPictor
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Nikos, the two images seem identical on Firefox ... |
This is weird. Why do I see a clear difference with Opera? _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
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nemesis101
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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nemesis101 wrote:
Thanks for the geography / geology info.. interesting as in a past life I taught geology...
I was actually asking for more details of the shots themselves like camera lens settings P/P etc! lol
Doug
nkanellopoulos wrote: |
nemesis101 wrote: |
One and Two are just breathtaking....
More details please?
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Meteora is an UNESCO World Heritage Site, near the town of Trikala.
In greek, meteora means "suspended in the air".
They consist of unique rock formations. The rocks are massive, solid and usually very steep. They were inhabited by monks around year 1000 AD.
Today there are 7 monasteries in operation.
For obvious reasons, they are a famous rock climbing field.
Wikipedia entry
I forgot to mention that #1 and #2 are HDR. The second is also handheld. |
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