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visualopsins
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 11059 Location: California
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: New Digital Life for Old Hasselblads |
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visualopsins wrote:
"Professional digital back that brings valuable medium format film gear into the 21st century with a price to match the quality it delivers."
Hasselblad CFV-39 digital back _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony ILCE-7RM2, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
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M42 Asahi Optical Co., Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200, Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300, Macro-Takumar 1:4/50, Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm, Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element), Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17, Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500, Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100, Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100, SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
M42 Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
Contax Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm F3.5-4.5
Pentax K-mount SMC PENTAX-A ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (151B), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH)
Vivitar 100mm 1:2.8 MC 1:1 Macro Telephoto (Kiron)
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:49 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
10 000 GBP let's count how many rolls of Provia can we buy from this sum.. I still like slide output lot better _________________ -------------------------------
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:02 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
This is for professionals with well paid jobs.
When I worked as cultural director for an art project, I produced several books, and some of them required professional quality images of a palace.
A photographer came with a large format camera and did the job in two days. The bill was about half the price for this digital back.
I mean this is the real world of professionals. It takes only 2-3 services for a real professional to write off the cost with gross income. 4-5 services if you want to count the net income with VAT subtracted.
I mean, this expense is nothing, really nothing for a pro. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5044 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:13 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
£5000 is about 7000 €? Just looked at a normal professional's hourly rate when the buyer is a corporation is about 70 € / hour (no vat included). At that price you would have to work 100 hours for the back, that is about three weeks. And not pay rent or eat that time. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
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Xpres
Joined: 11 Dec 2007 Posts: 964 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Xpres wrote:
The sort of pro' who would use this back would not be paid by the hour - he would employ others by the hour.
It's all tax deductable anyway... _________________ Film... and sometimes SD14, 5D2 and some other suff! |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5044 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
You mean the kinds that get $15 million loans against their photos or the kinds that most people know as "Spock"? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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ludoo
Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Posts: 1397 Location: Milan, Italy
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:34 am Post subject: |
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ludoo wrote:
Gear investment gets paid off in a longer period, for IT professionals it's the same: any gear you need for your job represents an investment that's usually spread over 3 years. So 12k really means 4k per year, that's easily paid off by a regular work flow.
And don't forget that a professional does not pay VAT, and he can deduct equipment costs from taxes, so the real cost is around 6 or 7k. |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Kansalliskala, the event I reported happened 12 years ago, and yet the equivalent of 5000 was the bill.
I don't know what table you refer to, but let me grant you that for highly specialized work, 5000 Euros are normal bill for two full days of work on location with large format camera and sophisticated techniques such as light painting.
We are speaking of publishing professionals, not simple wedding photographers. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Esox lucius
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 2441 Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Esox lucius wrote:
Xpres wrote: |
It's all tax deductable anyway... |
That still does not relieve you from the fact that to buy it, you need a cash equity matching the gross price. In plain words: You still have to cough up all that cash, despite being able to write off some of it in your tax declaration. Bank loan? Yes, at extra cost.
Then you write off the camera body/back during 3 accounting years, and the goal is that it would produce more money than purchasing, maintaining and using it cost you.
VAT paid is deductible from VAT invoiced, but any company that shows more VAT deductible than invoiced is spending more than it is making... _________________ Vilhelm
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Nikon SLR: Nikon F100, Nikon FM2n
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Topcor: Auto-Topcor 58/1.4,
Voigtländer SL: 40/2 Ultron, 58/1.4 Nokton, 75/2.5 Color-Heliar, 90/3.5 APO-Lanthar, 125/2.5 APO-Lanthar, 180/4 APO-Lanthar
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5044 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Orio wrote: |
We are speaking of publishing professionals, not simple wedding photographers. |
The price was the first photographer I found here when I put (in Finnish) words "photograper" and "price". He had long experience, photography vocational degree and own bussiness. The price was specially for corporate photography.
This is just standard professional photographer who probaly already has a Hasselblad 500 somewhere in the shop, not just some "guy with a camera".
What sort of prices you find with such a search and for such a person? _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
kansalliskala wrote: |
Orio wrote: |
We are speaking of publishing professionals, not simple wedding photographers. |
The price was the first photographer I found here when I put (in Finnish) words "photograper" and "price". He had long experience, photography vocational degree and own bussiness. The price was specially for corporate photography.
This is just standard professional photographer who probaly already has a Hasselblad 500 somewhere in the shop, not just some "guy with a camera".
What sort of prices you find with such a search and for such a person? |
Maybe the markets are different, I don't know what to say.
Here just renting a professional studio facility for one day (the rooms alone, no photographers) may cost more than one thousand. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Himself
Joined: 01 Mar 2007 Posts: 3245 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Himself wrote:
My 2c here maybe I can shed some light.
Taking the price said by you Orio: 5000 pounds? it is the shooting days + licence/licences for whatever you used the pictures. |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Himself wrote: |
My 2c here maybe I can shed some light.
Taking the price said by you Orio: 5000 pounds? it is the shooting days + licence/licences for whatever you used the pictures. |
Yes of course. We got all the originals (slides) and the publishing license. We made a book out of those photos. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5044 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Orio, you are probably right about the high-end photography prices.
But Hasselblad is not like that - it is a work-horse. Most our different wedding etc. portraits - even our school and miltitary pictures were taken with them. And there are tens of thousands still around in perfect working condition. I'm kind of frustrated that "they" didn't introduce a reasonably priced 16-25 mpix back to these cameras but instead decided to upgrade the old camera to be sort of a luxury item.
High end photographers have had their digital Sinars for a long time but the price of them is even more. Can't imagine which kind of prices one must take to buy them. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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kansalliskala
Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 5044 Location: Southern Finland countryside
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Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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kansalliskala wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Maybe the markets are different, I don't know what to say.
Here just renting a professional studio facility for one day (the rooms alone, no photographers) may cost more than one thousand. |
Markets are really different. Here the studio daily rent seems to be beetween 100-300 € but it is just a room, some flashes and backgrounds. Nothing very fancy. _________________ MF: Kodak DCS SLR/c; Samsung NX10; OM-10; Canon T50
Zuiko 28/3.5, Distagon 35/2.8; Yashica ML 50/2;
Zuiko 50/1.4; S-M-C 120/2.8; Zuiko 135/3.5; 200/5;
Tamron AD1 135/2.8, Soligor 180/3.5; Tamron AD1 300/5.6
Tamron zooms: 01A, Z-210
Yashicaflex C; Київ 4 + Юпитер 8, 11; Polaroid 100; Olympus XA; Yashica T3
Museum stuff: Certo-Phot; Tele-Edixon 135; Polaris 90-190; Asahi Bellows; Ixus IIs
Projects: Agfa Isolette III (no shutter), Canon AE-1D (no sensor),
Nikon D80 (dead), The "Peace Camera"
AF: Canon, Tokina, Sigma Video: JVC GZ-MG275E |
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Farside
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2010 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
To put the real cost of this digiback into perspective - a good mechanic at the early years of his career will spend thousands on high quality tools which he expects to last him for years. Many people who 'gave up the tools' and hung on to their toolsets through their later years are stunned at the cost of replacements now - on a par with a decent Hassy setup, now and then _________________ Dave - Moderator
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