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[some MF] Carnevale 2010 - day 1, part 3
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:05 pm    Post subject: [some MF] Carnevale 2010 - day 1, part 3 Reply with quote
Third and last bunch.
This is mostly of AF pictures, except a few which I will note.
I had to do a lot of editing work (both pre and post) in order to make these images acceptable in comparison with the Zeiss images. I did not succeed in all cases. The quality gap is really huge. Sometimes it does well to touch it with your hands and realize that you will never want to get back to AF really!

Some of the images show that it was very cold towards the end of the day! Shocked












































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Contax Vario-Sonnar 100-300



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice images and a fun-looking festival.
Which AF-lenses did you use?

It would be interesting to see comparable crops between zeiss and AF-lenses.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
soikka wrote:
Nice images


thank you

Quote:
Which AF-lenses did you use?


Only one lens, the 85mm 1.8
I only have two AF lenses, this, and the 60mm 2.8 macro

soikka wrote:
It would be interesting to see comparable crops between zeiss and AF-lenses.


The AF 85mm does not really have a sharpness problem.
It's a different type of problem, that you can see clearly by comparing these first two images with the following two:





I choosed images with similar subjects so to provide a common basis.
Lighting is the same (foggy day)
As you can see, there are images where the objects are well separated, were the colours show a lot more resolution, the hues are distinct; and ther are images where everything looks flat, there is no dimensionality, the skin does not look alive, and the colours look "strange", to put it mildly.

The first two images are Contax Vario-Sonnar 100-300
The following two images are EF 85mm 1.8

I think there is not much words to add...

P.S: actually there is one thing to add: the two Contax images are unprocessed outside of RAW exposure fine tuning. While the two Canon images are processed to bring out as much possible presence and sparkle.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wonderful Orio, the fog makes up great atmosphere.
Sure bring something different than you previous pics.
Also the canon is sure very very flat, it can be made out easily.

The real face off should be both zeiss & canon 85mm primes put together. Maybe you can give the canon 5DII as an advantage Razz


PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for the declaration Orio.

You can see the difference without a problem... The tones are a lot better in the first two.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
dakoo wrote:
Wonderful Orio, the fog makes up great atmosphere.


thanks
in fact those of this bunch are the better pictures I think. Surely not because of the AF Laughing but because there was less people and it was easier to walk around and grab more casual photos. No matter if using a zoom, in these events the photographer MUST always walk around, never stay in one place.

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The real face off should be both zeiss & canon 85mm primes put together. Maybe you can give the canon 5DII as an advantage Razz


There is no competition, really. I don't have the L 85/1.2, so maybe that lens could change the comparison. With the 85/1.8, there is really no game. Sadly for Canon.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
soikka wrote:
Thanks for the declaration Orio.
You can see the difference without a problem... The tones are a lot better in the first two.


Yes, exactly. It is visible at first sight.
Maybe I should bookmark my own thread to show it to people asking why Zeiss lenses should be preferable to Canon's, that are "just as good and with autofocus"... Laughing


PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
many gems in this series, every year you capture better and more!


PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:
many gems in this series, every year you capture better and more!


Thanks! This is a good sign, it means I am improving Smile
I did in fact committ myself this year in improving over the series of the previous year. Fact is, it does not only depend on you, there are other factors, mainly you need to have good luck.


PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Great shots, no matter which lens!
And actually, I think the AF shots are not bad at all!


PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Amazing serie, great colors. I expected to be happy with your images and it didn't disseapoint, looks like a nice festival in freindly atmosphere.

As for the lens comparison in the two last pix, the Zeiss lens looks so much more contrasted the colors are incredibly alive, it makes look the Canon lens crap :s and i'm sure its a good one.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
hexi wrote:
it makes look the Canon lens crap


Yes, sadly. The difference is embarassing. Embarassed


PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
hexi wrote:
it makes look the Canon lens crap


Yes, sadly. The difference is embarassing. Embarassed


Maybe the Canon is flat on purpose? That gives the photographer much more flexibility in processing.

I agree that the Canon pictures look dull straigth from the camera.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Your 3d shots are excellent and I'm trying to find a way of matching it on the cheap i.e cheap gem plus photoshop.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
eeyore_nl wrote:
Orio wrote:
hexi wrote:
it makes look the Canon lens crap


Yes, sadly. The difference is embarassing. Embarassed


Maybe the Canon is flat on purpose? That gives the photographer much more flexibility in processing.

I agree that the Canon pictures look dull straigth from the camera.


But mine are not straight from the camera. I worked on them a lot to make them presentable next to the Contax images.


PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:

But mine are not straight from the camera. I worked on them a lot to make them presentable next to the Contax images.


In that case, the Canon disappoints indeed.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wow, I love the yearly carneval shoots of yours, Im glad I stumbled on these as they help with my winter blues. The fog shots are many of my favorites.


PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bruce wrote:
Wow, I love the yearly carneval shoots of yours, Im glad I stumbled on these as they help with my winter blues. The fog shots are many of my favorites.


Thank you. I agree, the fog adds something special. Although sunlight would have also been nice Smile


PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Great atmosphere, I agree with Bruce, the fog shots are my favorites too, I can feel the cold.
Thanks for sharing Orio.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
+ 1 with Carlsson....
What a great pictures and terrific atmosphere Shocked ...
Chapeau!


PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
... and to think that the difference in print is even greater in favor of the Contax Laughing


PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Another set of great Carnival images, thanks Orio.
It is obvious in the main sequence when the lens changed and I wasn't particularly looking for it. The Contax is just so much better at what it does.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Your speciality Orio: capture of emotions. This time well done again.
Love expressions and also composition at those samples.
Regards MF lenses... There must be something magic in them.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for another great visit to your Carnevale Orio. I agree with poilu, this is the best yet, I really feel I was there. I'd like to hear the music though! Smile

Which focus point setting do you use for the AF shots? I thought I could see in one picture the lens had focused on a drum on the left side, rather than the main subject in the centre.
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