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f1.9/85mm Super Tak - spiced up flowers ;-) of Saigon
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: f1.9/85mm Super Tak - spiced up flowers ;-) of Saigon Reply with quote
Saigon is getting flooded with flowers for Tet, Vietnamses new year.
All pictures taken with Super Takumar f1.9/85mm ( unless stated differently ) on Pentac K/x, inside the Tao Dan Culture Park.
Ok, many of you guys find flower shots boring, see some of the flowers of the 'other' kind then too:

'beer promotion girl' attending







( S-M-C Takumar f1.4/50mm )

around the venue:

( S-M-C Takumar f1.4/50mm )

next post shows the botanical variants Wink


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:47 am    Post subject: the flowers Reply with quote




















all taken with Super Takumar f1.9/85mm
wonder if I should once carry my tripod and take some with greater DoF too

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:51 am    Post subject: and a shocker! Reply with quote
what do you make out of this one, really would appreciate any thought or observation:





there are some more photos showing the venue, people, if anybody is interested I show some, but they are mostly technically faulty. I still really do have an ongoing battle to get at grips with my new Pentax K-x, specially exposure with M42 lenses.
there are more flower pics too


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Excellent I dont find flowers boring at all- there are some tremendous shots here, a good series, you seem to have got the reds far better with the K-x than my K100 ever did, yours look about right mine were always too vibrant. The lilies and Tulips are Superb btw Very Happy Very Happy


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
That last one looks 3D to me...beautiful!!!!


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:04 am    Post subject: Hi Kuaan Reply with quote
Hi,
Please go to Tao Dan park, you will see many special Vietnamese Flowes.
You just take one km from where you took that pics. go across Truong Dinh street, you will go to TaoDan park, ticket is 20000 VND (1USD).
Please take Hochiminh map and you can ask any one, all Hochiminh people know Tao Dan park.
Thank you for all beatiful pics, Thank you.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
thank you for your tip Tuananhmap
but these photos had been taken inside Tao Dan Park Embarassed , had paid the 20.000 Dong entrance alright.
There are performances every night, but the poster announcing was only in Vietnamese. May try to go there some night, tonight?
Those taken yesterday with the S-M-C f1.4/50 shown in another thread were from the park along Le Lai.
ok, there is so much more to take photos of, I shall try!


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
great series of flowers (both style)
dof is perfect and appropriate
but the last one, where you ask observation, need more dof
in #3 you used well the dof with front and back plan
but the last one is one plan
also in #3 the red flowers are darker and less saturated
in the last pic you made them too bright and too saturated


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:
great series of flowers (both style)
dof is perfect and appropriate
but the last one, where you ask observation, need more dof
in #3 you used well the dof with front and back plan
but the last one is one plan
also in #3 the red flowers are darker and less saturated
in the last pic you made them too bright and too saturated


thank you for your observations Poilu.

the last one, why it shocked me..
I only tried to get the WB right but doing that I did not get better colors. The original is much more pink, I changed some hue to get there, but to no avail...
The one shown before has NO added contrast, added sharpness, added saturation Shocked ( I hardly ever do )

see the original converted with Lightroom defaults:


I still don't know what to think of it, my first thought was, wow, this really does look digital, time to try out film
or I may go back there and take a similar pic with the *istDs, I'd be curious how they compare

I'd be very grateful if anybody can shed some light on what to make of this, please you can access and download the original size here:
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/119815/7294921/sizes

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
very sweet flowers Andreas!


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
thank you poolhall, Mo-fo and Klaus.
one reason I answer is I want you to see my last answer to Poilu

I am still not happy with the colors the K-x renders during daytime shooting, they seem to look somewhat 'dark' even though the histograms looks ok.
On the red tulips the digital imaging looks so strange to me, I am very confused.
I am even thinking of opening a dedicated thread. Or is it nothing noteworthy for you?


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i agree with you kuaan. my first thought on the roses was they were oversaturated; then i read on and saw the original which obviously did not render the scene correctly. now it may be a matter of my screen being different than yours, which is why i dislike commenting on IQ, but i found the other pictures to have very muted coloring--they didnt 'pop' like from your *ist. just an observation and personal opinion based on what i see on my screen.
tony


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rbelyell wrote:
i agree with you kuaan. my first thought on the roses was they were oversaturated; then i read on and saw the original which obviously did not render the scene correctly. now it may be a matter of my screen being different than yours, which is why i dislike commenting on IQ, but i found the other pictures to have very muted coloring--they didnt 'pop' like from your *ist. just an observation and personal opinion based on what i see on my screen.
tony


only at high ISO night shots I like the colors of the K-x, e.g the very first one with the 2 beer promotion ladies.
but daytime..not only is it much more difficult to get exposure right on the K-x, ( in Av mode + exp. bias, what I used to use on the *ist ) ) but the colors disappoint me much, look dark, lifeless, and that tulip shot makes me shudder ( well, could be good for a psychodelic shot Wink )

First I should try to get better colors adjusting setting on the camera, or in Lightroom.
But really I am thinking to go back shooting the *istDs during daylight, even though DR should be higher on the K-x and in countries with strong sun it is difficult to avoid blown highlights during day, maybe even reselling the K-x Sad


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
i dont know kuuan, this is a new camera, cost a fair amount of money. i think you should be able to get great results in daytime. i assume you are shooting in RAW? if so, no need to adjust any settings. i think it may be worth it to start a separate thread on these issues; if you cant correct, i might think about another camera...perhaps you could return?


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I like the high saturation of the last three flower shots, as well as the low (but possibly realistic) saturation in the one with white flowers.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rbelyell wrote:
i dont know kuuan, this is a new camera, cost a fair amount of money. i think you should be able to get great results in daytime. i assume you are shooting in RAW? if so, no need to adjust any settings. i think it may be worth it to start a separate thread on these issues; if you cant correct, i might think about another camera...perhaps you could return?


yes rbelyell, I shoot RAW
I got just a hint to upgrade to the latest Lightroom and use camera calibration, I am just about doing that, I hope that will improve matters, I'll report back, maybe start another thread about this.
Difficult to return, but it online in Austria, now I am in Vietnam..but I guess I could sell it here, or later in India, without significant loss.

Arkku wrote:
I like the high saturation of the last three flower shots, as well as the low (but possibly realistic) saturation in the one with white flowers.


thank you Arkku.
I may point out again that I had NOT increased saturation on any of the photos!

- what bothers me more than these pink tulips is a 'dark cast' I feel all daytime photos have, at least compared to what I am used to from the *istDs,it can be noticed more easily in the non - flower photos

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
beautiful flower shots with great saturnation !

Cheers
Tobias


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
thank you Klaus and Tobias.

I just enquired about the 'darkish' impression of K-x photos in another forum. Someone had edited one of the photos which to me looked darkish and came up with this:



hm. I can't get there..
I guess it takes serious improving on my PPing skills, maybe also choosing a different RAW converter to for me to enjoy the K-x photos.
Tonality I still prefer of the pics of the *istDs I'd think, but this result looks promising!


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
wow, big difference. perhaps he would tell you what software he used...


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Corel's Paint Shop Photo Pro x3, just running auto levels Shocked
can't get near there with levels in PS Sad


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
well that shows me the camera has great potential; maybe its just a software issue.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
What does a shot look like without shooting in raw?? I am looking at buying this camera but it seems rather stressful and taking the joy out of what should be something so simple.Does one have to rely on PP for using a digital camera??
Sorry Kuuan I am not insulting you.it is just that I am questioning whether I will like this type of camera.


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mo-Fo wrote:
What does a shot look like without shooting in raw?? I am looking at buying this camera but it seems rather stressful and taking the joy out of what should be something so simple.Does one have to rely on PP for using a digital camera??
Sorry Kuuan I am not insulting you.it is just that I am questioning whether I will like this type of camera.


ha ha Mo-Fo, I am afraid that I can't help you much, I am battling myself to like this camera.
Sure it is great for low light / high ISO, but you have read my difficulty in liking the colors, and using M42 lenses is more complex than on the *istDs. Av mode is very unreliable, daytime I need + exp. bias of +3 and that often is not enough, but in shadow it may be only +1.7, at low light it doesn't need any exp. bias. So far I often wrongly expose, I was told I should better use M mode and push the green button ( which I had not to on the *istDs ), this should improve measuring. I will try and hope it really does. However it does mean one more button to push in the workflow, I guess best is 'rule of sunny 16'


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kuuan, i hate to say this, but do you think the camera could be defective?


PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
rbelyell wrote:
kuuan, i hate to say this, but do you think the camera could be defective?


hm..I don't think so.
Today I learned from other users that they also need +2.7, sometimes +3 even will underexpose in Av mode during day.
And tus was advised to use M mode + push green button.

I remember someone having posted before that he found his K-x images look 'darkish', but today I could not find that thread any more to enquire what he has done about it.
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