View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
Olivier
![Level 4 Level 4](rating4.gif) Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5076 Location: France
Expire: 2015-08-06
|
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: Meyer-Optik TRIOPLAN 2.8/100 - The Crazy Diamond part 2... |
|
|
Olivier wrote:
Again...
7 more shots. Hope you don't get bored.
1-
2-
3-
4-
5-
6-
7-
Hope you liked them.
Sometimes, this bokeh is too "present".
What I prefer is to discover "soft painting effects" when revealed on the screen.
![Wink](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
SLr and MF lenses : for feedback and helping people, cameras and lenses I own : full list here http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1442740.html#1442740 |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
Expire: 2012-12-04
|
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Orio wrote:
I really love this lens, but I would use it wide open only in controlled conditions. The bokeh can get really wild with highlights.
I noticed that few Trioplan owners use the Trioplan stopped down. If they did, they would find that at f/8 it's a killer. _________________ Orio, Administrator
T*
NE CEDE MALIS AUDENTIOR ITO
Ferrania film is reborn! http://www.filmferrania.it/
Support the Ornano film chemicals company and help them survive!
http://forum.mflenses.com/ornano-chemical-products-t55525.html |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
Olivier
![Level 4 Level 4](rating4.gif) Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5076 Location: France
Expire: 2015-08-06
|
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Olivier wrote:
Orio wrote: |
I really love this lens, but I would use it wide open only in controlled conditions. The bokeh can get really wild with highlights.
I noticed that few Trioplan owners use the Trioplan stopped down. If they did, they would find that at f/8 it's a killer. |
Yes, that's right.
Firsts trials with this "new toy" and after reading about it on this forum, I wanted to see how it renders wide open.
I'll try it more seriously at F8.
Thanks Orio. ![Wink](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) _________________ Olivier - Moderator
Dslr : Olympus Pen E-P2 - Fujifilm X-Pro2 - Canon 5D MkII.
SLr and MF lenses : for feedback and helping people, cameras and lenses I own : full list here http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,1442740.html#1442740 |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
patrickh
![Level 4 Level 4](rating4.gif) Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
Expire: 2011-11-18
|
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
patrickh wrote:
I know boke is personal, but I find those OOF highlights extremely disturbing. I too would like to see how this lens performs at f8 - its reputation seems founded on those wold highlights.
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
Farside
![Level 4 Level 4](rating4.gif) Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 6549 Location: Ireland
Expire: 2013-12-27
|
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Farside wrote:
Trioplan at f:8
at 5.6
![](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3099/2554077256_d2cdd8c9fe_o.jpg) _________________ Dave - Moderator
Camera Fiend and Biograph Operator
If I wanted soot and whitewash I'd be a chimney sweep and house painter.
The Lenses of Farside (click)
BUY FRESH FOMAPAN TO HELP KEEP THE FACTORY ALIVE ---
Foma Campaign topic -
http://forum.mflenses.com/foma-campaign-t55443.html
FOMAPAN on forum -
http://www.mflenses.com/fs.php?sw=Fomapan
Webshop EU
http://www.fomafoto.com/ |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
shadows
![Level 1 Level 1](rating1.gif) Joined: 17 Feb 2009 Posts: 122 Location: Canada
|
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
shadows wrote:
I bought this lens mainly for it's crazy bokeh but I was indeed surprised how well it performed the first time I stopped it down. Quite a surprise since I actually stopped it down by mistake. ![Wink](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
patrickh
![Level 4 Level 4](rating4.gif) Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
Expire: 2011-11-18
|
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:39 am Post subject: |
|
|
patrickh wrote:
Farside
That's much more like it
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
Expire: 2012-12-04
|
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
Orio wrote:
The passion for bokeh-based pictures - in my opinion, exaggerated, because now often you see pictures that about only have bokeh in them - is relatively recent.
I never heard or read any master of photography (such as Adams, Brassai, Cartier-Bresson, Atget, Weston, and others) talk or write about how important is the bokeh in this or that of their pictures.
Bokeh of course is an important feature in a lens because it shapes the aesthetical appearance of the image. but it should not become more important than the subject of the photograph, or even the subject itself.
Of course this does not regard the lens samples that we post in this forum, because here we discuss the behaviour of the lenses and therefore such tests are normal, I make them too.
It is a more general statement.
In my opinion, the error of many bokeh-obsessed photographers is to consider as valuable bokeh only what you obtain wide open.
While bokeh exists at all apertures (well, perhaps not so much at f/64) and often in a lens the wide open bokeh is not so remarkable while the stopped down bokeh is beautiful.
The fact is that in most cases, lenses are made to provide the optical performance at or around two stops more closed than the widest aperture.
The performance wide open or fully stopped down is, in most cases, the fruit of a compromise to provide an acceptable performance while compensating for the aberrations and the other optical problems that unavoidably extreme apertures present.
Meyer Goerlitz was surely no exception and I am sure that they were not particularly happy with what happened with their Trioplan wide open (don't forget that triplets were budget lenses), but assumed that people would use their Trioplan, for what is possible, at it's optimal aperture of f/5.6 to f/8 _________________ Orio, Administrator
T*
NE CEDE MALIS AUDENTIOR ITO
Ferrania film is reborn! http://www.filmferrania.it/
Support the Ornano film chemicals company and help them survive!
http://forum.mflenses.com/ornano-chemical-products-t55525.html |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
urmelchen
Joined: 20 Nov 2008 Posts: 29
|
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
urmelchen wrote:
The Trioplan have something special...
a bit glow and great colors and the special bokeh
![](http://forum.mflenses.com/userpix/20096/929_IMG_1021_1.jpg) |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
Gus Helios
![Level 1 Level 1](rating1.gif) Joined: 10 Feb 2009 Posts: 144 Location: Cali
|
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:06 am Post subject: Nice shots Dave... thanks |
|
|
Gus Helios wrote:
Farside wrote: |
Trioplan at f:8
at 5.6
![](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3099/2554077256_d2cdd8c9fe_o.jpg) |
Dave, I bought my trioplan for the wide open 'artsy' stuff that happens with it sometimes... And I mostly have shot it wide open.
But your shots make me realize I am missing something when I limit it to just wide open. Very nice.
It was never my intention when I got the trioplan to use it for snapshots of the kids, but I have taken a few and I actually like the way it performs. I did shoot a quick snap of my little one at F8 or F11 one day with a bounce flash, and was pleasantly surprised at how it did.
And wide open has a 'look' that works for me too.
![](http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e125/igilligan/Trioplan%20100/IMGP6556_edited-3.jpg) _________________ Nothing a shot a jack and some George Jones can't fix - Gus |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
Farside
![Level 4 Level 4](rating4.gif) Joined: 01 Sep 2007 Posts: 6549 Location: Ireland
Expire: 2013-12-27
|
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
Farside wrote:
I must admit I was pleasantly surprised at the way these turned out. I'd bought the Trioplan for its glow wide open and a possible portrait lens, after seeing Maxim's use of it.
It just happened to be the lens of the day when I took these pics and the need of the scene dictated the aperture, so I just used it. Yet another time when the Canon 10D surprises at how good it can be with 6mp, if there's a decently sharp lens in front of it.
The pics are out-of-camera jpgs and aren't sharpened any more than I would have done for normal display - a touch in PP and another touch after reduction.
Not bad for a lens that looked like it had been stored at the bottom of a drainage ditch. The optics are good, but the body finish is very flaked and used looking and no hood came with it. I use the hood from the MOG 135/2.8. _________________ Dave - Moderator
Camera Fiend and Biograph Operator
If I wanted soot and whitewash I'd be a chimney sweep and house painter.
The Lenses of Farside (click)
BUY FRESH FOMAPAN TO HELP KEEP THE FACTORY ALIVE ---
Foma Campaign topic -
http://forum.mflenses.com/foma-campaign-t55443.html
FOMAPAN on forum -
http://www.mflenses.com/fs.php?sw=Fomapan
Webshop EU
http://www.fomafoto.com/ |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
hexi
![Level 3 Level 3](rating3.gif) Joined: 01 Jul 2009 Posts: 1631 Location: France
Expire: 2011-11-18
|
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
hexi wrote:
Damn good rendition i all pix posted. A must have i think ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) _________________ Happy owner and user of :
SLR's > Contax Aria - RX
DSLR > Canon 5D
Lenses : C/Y Planar 1.4/50 - Distagon 2.8/35 - Planar 1.4/85
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sonnar85 |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
edumad
![Level 2 Level 2](rating2.gif) Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 348 Location: Esposende, Portugal
|
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: |
|
|
edumad wrote:
Those pictures look like they come from my Paragon 135mm. The colors bleed into one another, like soft focus only worse. _________________ TWAPSI - The World As Photography Sees It |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
Kabraxis
![Level 1 Level 1](rating1.gif) Joined: 29 Sep 2009 Posts: 58 Location: Zuerich
|
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: Trioplan |
|
|
Kabraxis wrote:
Just make 2 testshots with the Trioplan/2.8 (red V) M42 for a friend of mine. On the pictures you can see the two faces of this great lens.
The first shot is taken with 2.8 and the second one at 4.0
Have a nice day |
|
Back to top |
|
![](templates/mflenses/images/spacer.gif) |
|