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horvlas
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: Is it a real CZ Jena? |
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horvlas wrote:
Hello. What do you think about this lens? Is it a real CZ Jena Biotar? The text is not the common, and the serial no. also... And hasn't got the text: "Biotar". |
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horvlas
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 202 Location: Budapest, Hungary
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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horvlas wrote:
And here is the picture:
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
... and the red rhomb?! _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
And on a Zenit?! _________________ Graham - Moderator
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
it's fake. _________________ -------------------------------
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
Why?
If so, it would have to be a old fake that has actually been heavily used - it is quite unlikely that anybody would fake a lens without even making an attempt to clean the glass.
Ones without "Biotar" on the ring certainly do exist - I had one in Exakta mount, dating from around 1950 (which I got for something like 10 DM from the junk shelf of a usually expensive collectors store, so late nineties value for SLR Biotars was hardly worth a fake). Might be a Exakta specific trademark issue, I've seen plenty of unnamed Zeiss lenses for them - at that time, Ihagee was still Dutch owned, so that the owners would have been within easier reach of the Oberkochen lawyers. But if that was a Exakta phenomenon, that lens would be adapted or converted to M42, which should have left traces.
One more peculiarity is that the serial on this one is no Zeiss serial - in the years of Biotar production these were in the two to six million range.
That might just possibly be due to it being a post-war Biotar assembled from pre-war Zeiss stock, reusing a scrap front ring (due to lack of regular ones) where engraving the serial had been aborted when the engraver noticed his error or omission on the first digit (which should have been 2 or 3). It is unlikely that similar errors would have made it into regular production later on.
More likely is that it is a (sixties, assuming that the first digit on the serial is right) lens destined for export to the West, where the front was originally covered with another screw-over "Jena" or "CZJ" branded bezel, so that front rings with incomplete engraving might have been reused in that supposedly hidden place.
Of course, it could also be a repair job made with a off-series, incompletely pre-engraved or late (CZJ started a new serial numbering scheme in the seventies) spare part - few companies bothered about properly re-serializing spares to the original number.
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Couldn't it be something like my Pancolar? Made by other factory under Zeiss licence? _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
I think nobody get license from Carl Zeiss Jena in that years. I believe this is same case than Russians made fake Leica from their cameras.If something readable with Leica, Nikkor or Carl Zeiss that is not means automatically genuine items. If you see Biotars from any years they are not looking like this. _________________ -------------------------------
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Farside
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
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I think nobody get license from Carl Zeiss Jena in that years. I believe this is same case than Russians made fake Leica from their cameras.If something readable with Leica, Nikkor or Carl Zeiss that is not means automatically genuine items. If you see Biotars from any years they are not looking like this. |
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Attila
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:10 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:19 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
How many blades does it have? Helios lenses had 8 or 13, while Biotar lenses had 10, 12 or 17. I think if this is a Helios-based fake lens, nobody at that time would care about correct number of blades (particularly if the lettering and SN is completely "unzeissish"). _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
I count probably ten - certainly not less than nine (five on the left are clearly identifiable, and that leaves at least four to the right).
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Poolhall
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 1296
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Poolhall wrote:
Looks like 10 blades to me but not easy to see, maybe its a rebuild from 2 or 3 damaged lenses? |
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:54 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Another lens from the same source: notice "C.Z." isntead of "Carl Zeiss", similar serial number and the red diamond:
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The lens retention ring says: C.Z. Jena 75467 Otar 1 : 2 f = 58mm <> the diamond is in red |
http://photo.net/classic-cameras-forum/00Pnns
//edit: more pictures of this lens (on original cameras!):
(not only) last picture - on Pentacon:
http://captjack.exaktaphile.com/praktina/Contax-Pentacon%20Cameras.htm
Even other "C. Z. Jena" lenses are pictured on the page.
picture of "lot #120"
https://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=10691&p=6&srch=search%20this%20auction&sort=0
My opinion is that the lens was manufactured under licence by pentacon or other german manufacturer. _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:42 am Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong but at the date that lens was built it shouldn't still exist the Pentacon conglomerate (founded in 1964). _________________ Alessandro
My Photography Website
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
Lenses
Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
Most of the Dresden and Thüringen camera industry had come under VEB Zeiss control by the early fifties, and the conglomerate frequently changed names as they took over camera and lens makers in other regions - VEB Zeiss Ikon, VEB Kamera- und Kinowerke and finally VEB Pentacon, nine years after Pentacon had become their major trade mark.
It is not likely that that lens is from the age of Pentacon proper - its design is fifties or earlier, and I am not aware of any 35mm lenses which were continued in relatively ancient shape for that long.
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no-X
Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 2495 Location: Budejky, Czech Republic
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:19 am Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
Speaking of lenses, I take Meyer and Pentacon as a synonym. Anyway, my point is that the lens is not a fake, but a German product _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
no-X wrote: |
Speaking of lenses, I take Meyer and Pentacon as a synonym. |
Meyer struggled quite desperately not to be included in Pentacon - there was no friendship between them and Zeiss, nor between the Lausitz and Saxonia proper.
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A G Photography
Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1480 Location: Bologna - Italy
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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A G Photography wrote:
Sevo wrote: |
no-X wrote: |
Speaking of lenses, I take Meyer and Pentacon as a synonym. |
Meyer struggled quite desperately not to be included in Pentacon - there was no friendship between them and Zeiss, nor between the Lausitz and Saxonia proper.
Sevo |
It'd be a lot interesting to know more about Meyer company history. It's always been "shaded" by Zeiss and its lenses discounted as "cheaper communist germans". Still I think they are far better than their reputation (owning a lot of them).
Any book or informative website around? _________________ Alessandro
My Photography Website
My Blog about Photography and Italian Cuisine
My Photostream on Flickr
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DSLR: Nikon d80, Olympus e410
SLR: Chinon CX, Fujica ST605n, Nikon f601, Pentacon FM, Pentax Spotmatic SPII, Praktica FX, Praktica FX2, Voigtlander VST1, Yashica FX-3, Zeiss Contaflex
RF: Altissa Altix, Zorki Ie, Kiev 4b
Medium Format: Pentacon Six TL, Zeiss Ikonta 520/2, Mockba 4, Voigtlander Bessa I, Agfa Isolette II, Agfa Isola
Large Format: Cambo SC 4x5, Rodenstock Sinaron 150/5.6, Rodenstock Rodagon 150/5.6, Schneider Kreuznach Symmar 180/5.6
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Nikkors: 28/3.5 AIS, 35/2, 50/1.8, 50/2 H, Micro 55/3.5, Micro 60/2.8, 85/1.8, 135/3.5 AI, 200/4 NAI, 18-55/3.5-5.6, 28-80/3.5-5.6, 55-200/4-5.6
CY: Distagon 28/2.8, Planar 50/1.4, Yashika 50/1.7, Sonnar 135/2.8
CZJ m42-Exakta: Flektogon 20/4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Tessar 40/4.5, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Pancolar 50/2, Biotar 58/2, Biotar 75/1.5, Tessar 80/2.8, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 135/4, Triotar 135/4
CZJ P6: Flektogon 50/4, Flektogon 65/2.8, Biometar 80/2.8, Biometar 120/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer-Pentacon: Orestegon 29/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Lydith 30/3.5, Primagon 35/4.5, Helioplan 40/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Primotar 50/3.5, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Orestor 100/2.8, Trioplan 100/2.8, Helioplan 135/4.5, Orestor 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, Primotar 135/3.5, Primotar 180/3.5, Telemegor 180/5.5, Orestegor 200/4, Pentacon 200/4, Orestegor 300/4, Telemegor 300/4.5, Telemegor 400/5.5
Schneider-Kreuznach: Curtagon 28/4, Curtagon 35/2.8, Xenon 50/1.9, Xenar 50/2.8, Tele Xenar 135/3.5, Tele Xenar 200/4
Russians: Arsat Zodiak 30/3.5, Mir-I 37/2.8, Volna-9 50/2.8, Industar-50 50/3.5, Industar-61 50/2.8, Helios 44 58/2, Helios 44-2 58/2, Helios 44-M-4 58/2, Volna-3 80/2.8, Helios 40 85/1.5, Jupiter 9 85/2, Jupiter 11 135/4
Others: Chinon-Tomioka 55/1.4, Helios 28/2.8, Isco Iscotar 50/2.8, Konica Hexanon 40/1.8, Ludwig Meritar 50/2.9, Schacht Travegon 35/3.5, Schacht Travenon 135/4.5, Sekor 55/1.8, Sigma MF 28/2.8, S-Takumar, 28/3.5, S-Takumar 50/1.4, S-Takumar 55/1.8, S-Takumar 55/2, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, Steinheil Culminar 135/4.5, Vivitar 135/2.8, Voigtlander Ultron 50/1.8, Yashica Yashinon DX 50/1.4, Zuiko MC Auto-W 28/2.8
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
A G Photography wrote: |
Sevo wrote: |
no-X wrote: |
Speaking of lenses, I take Meyer and Pentacon as a synonym. |
Meyer struggled quite desperately not to be included in Pentacon - there was no friendship between them and Zeiss, nor between the Lausitz and Saxonia proper.
Sevo |
It'd be a lot interesting to know more about Meyer company history. It's always been "shaded" by Zeiss and its lenses discounted as "cheaper communist germans". Still I think they are far better than their reputation (owning a lot of them).
Any book or informative website around? |
I share the interest by that history _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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no-X
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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no-X wrote:
A G Photography wrote: |
It'd be a lot interesting to know more about Meyer company history. It's always been "shaded" by Zeiss and its lenses discounted as "cheaper communist germans". Still I think they are far better than their reputation (owning a lot of them). |
I agree. Maybe they are not sharper overall, but there are some real advantages:
1. Trioplan 50/2.9 and 100/2.8 are free of axial CA
2. Oreston (Pentacon) 50/1.8 has stunning bokeh and less axial CA than Pancolar
3. Primoplan is not as sharp as Biotar, but I like its bokeh much more (it's also almost free of axial CA when compared to Biotar)
4. Not any single of my alu Meyer lenses had stiff focusing, while 80% of my alu CZJ lenses was stiff when I bought them
5. more rounded apertures (but on the other hand - Meyer changed shape of blades in times and some version are less rounded)
6. Primagon 35/4.5 is the best (sharpest and almost CA-free) wide-angle SLR lens of that era, I have every tried... _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses |
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Spotmatic wrote:
no-X wrote: |
3. Primoplan is not as sharp as Biotar, but I like its bokeh much more (it's also almost free of axial CA when compared to Biotar)
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Do you mean the "standard' Primoplan and Biotars here, or their longer and faster cousins (Primoplan 75/1.9 and Biotar 75/1.5)?
Generally I like the Meyers for what they are... good lenses but somewhat neglected when compared to its rival, Carl Zeiss Jena. _________________ Peter - Moderator
Pentax K-5 + Pentax 645 + Canon 5D + Bessa RF 10,5cm Heliar, and a 'little' bag full of MF lenses. The lens list is * here *.
My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical
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estudleon
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
no-X wrote: |
...I agree. Maybe they are not sharper overall, but there are some real advantages:
2. Oreston (Pentacon) 50/1.8 has stunning bokeh and less axial CA than Pancolar... |
The only meyer lens that I have is the pentacon 1,8/50.
You're right.
It's a great lens. _________________ Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Poolhall
Joined: 25 Feb 2008 Posts: 1296
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Poolhall wrote:
Lydith 30mm is nice too, in both Meyer and Pentacon |
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Sevo
Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 1189 Location: Frankfurt, Germany
Expire: 2012-12-03
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
I've done a couple of interviews with former Bentzin and Goltz&Breutmann employees (or their children) for my research on large format SLRs. As far as the perceived chain of events from their (highly subjective) perspective went, Bentzin was forcibly merged with Meyer into a VEB early on, and relegated from the maker of the Primar Reflex series (essentially the blueprint for the first Hasselblad, and by all accounts superior to the KW/Zeiss Praktisix) into a lens maker, and finally Meyer was forcibly merged into Pentacon and further reduced to a assembly plant for lesser Pentacon lenses, mostly old Zeiss designs, to increase the insult. YMMV as to the truth behind it - the region around Görlitz was battle zone between Prussia, Austria and Saxonia for ages, so there is a certain spirit of disgruntledness native to these parts, and the general post-GDR self-apology of having been forced into any stupid decision by the commies is even more noticeable there than elsewhere...
But the image of Zeiss among the competitors never was too good - they already started out as a much-envied early case of state-funded research privatized rather than put in the public domain. And their origin gave them a near-monopolistic control on new glass types and later a tax-exempt status as a foundation, while they nonetheless acted like a aggressive trust on the market, tieing their glass and lens customers into dependencies, eventually entering into competition with them or taking them over.
The mergers of considerable parts of the optical industry with Zeiss in the economic crises of the twenties and early thirties did not improve the climate - at least part of the merged companies were (or at least felt) more profitable than Zeiss, and considered themselves sacrificed for the benefit of Zeiss, who eliminated much competition in the process while picking up competence in the field of small camera and movie technology as well as fast lenses.
The relationship with Meyer seems to have been particularily strained as a consequence of the relations between Zeiss, Paul Rudolph (the Tessar and Planar inventor) and Meyer. Zeiss had laid off Paul Rudolph into retirement after WWI, and he went on to Meyer with the Plasmat design which Zeiss had originally rejected - after that proved to be a success, Zeiss hired him back and had him produce a series of related, competing designs, which does not seem to have pleased Meyer.
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