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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:29 am Post subject: Someone relisted my AUCTION and lens as their own!!! |
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spiralcity wrote:
Is there anything that can be done about ebay users listing an item that is not theres? I recenty sold my 50mm EBC 1.4. This guy has lefted my aution info and made them his own. This isnt even the glass he is selling. Mine was mint, I wonder what his really look like.
This is my lens and my auction template.
Click here to see on Ebay
Perhaps some of you can write this guy and ask what his lens really looks like... ?
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nemesis101
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 2050 Location: Oregon USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Someone relisted my AUCTION and lens as there own!!! |
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nemesis101 wrote:
YOU own the copyright to your text and your picture - if he uses it without your permission that's a (Federal) offense here in the USA.. write him, write to eBay and mention he legal issue to eBay and that you are the copyright owner and he / she is infringing your rights. They usually respond if you are the owner of the copyright
You can also report them for copying your listing.. either way.. go to the link at the bottom of the listing and complain as often as you can..
Doug.
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Is there anything that can be done about eBay users listing an item that is not theres? I recently sold my 50mm EBC 1.4. This guy has lefted my aution info and made them his own. This isn't even the glass he is selling. Mine was mint, I wonder what his really look like.
This is my lens and my auction template.
Click here to see on Ebay
Perhaps some of you can write this guy and ask what his lens really looks like... ? |
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:12 am Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
I wrote this seller and this is his respnse.
Dear spiralcity1,
I am So So very sorry I was trying to cut/paste the description only.... you know where ebay has the feature of putting brand, what it fits, the MM, wheather it's new/used just to save time didn't realize it copied the WHOLE page! Again I'm very sorry for the inconvienence it will not happen again I assure Randy
- donreggaeton
hmmm, he didnt check his listing before posting? Just a bunch of B.S ! _________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
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M. Valdemar
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 93
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:12 am Post subject: |
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M. Valdemar wrote:
People steal photos and descriptions all the time on eBay. It happens thousands of times a day.
It's annoying, but there's really nothing you can do about it. eBay refuses to take any action, usually.
In the long run, it's no big deal. It's his problem, not your problem. It will soon be forgotten, and it's not like he caused you any monetary damages, so just forget it.
Consider it a compliment that he thought your auction was so great.
(The whole "Federal Offense" idea about a silly little eBay auction is ridiculous) |
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themoleman342
Joined: 21 Oct 2007 Posts: 2190 Location: East Coast (CT), U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:19 am Post subject: |
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themoleman342 wrote:
Silly maybe, but not incorrect |
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M. Valdemar
Joined: 14 Nov 2008 Posts: 93
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:27 am Post subject: |
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M. Valdemar wrote:
No Federal agency in existence is going to take any action against a copied eBay auction.
At any rate, to have a case, you have to prove damages.
Many very inexperienced people on internet forums have highly fanciful ideas about laws and enforcements. |
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rawhead
Joined: 09 Feb 2009 Posts: 1525 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:01 am Post subject: |
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rawhead wrote:
M. Valdemar wrote: |
No Federal agency in existence is going to take any action against a copied eBay auction.
At any rate, to have a case, you have to prove damages.
Many very inexperienced people on internet forums have highly fanciful ideas about laws and enforcements. |
I don't see anybody here suggesting the OP make this a legal issue. I think the idea was to use the law as a leverage to get Ebay to take action, not on legal grounds, but more on corporate ethics grounds.
It is true that Ebay, being the dick corporation they are, seldom take action in such cases. However a "they're not gonna do anything about it, why bother?" attitude won't do anything to change the situation for the better, and in fact all but insures that they're gonna get worse. _________________ Sony α7R, Pentax 67II, Kiev-60, Hasselblad 203FE, 903SWC, Graflex Norita 66, Mamiya M645 1000s, Burke & James 8x10, Graflex Pacemaker Speed Graphic (4x5 and 3x4), Century Graphic (2x3), R.B. Graflex Seried D, Rolleiflex SL66E, Rolleiflex 2.8C Xenotar, Mamiya C330f, a few M42, six P6, three OM, four Hasselblad, two Pentax 67, two Mamiya 645, one Noritar, and a sprinkle of EF. Oh, and an Aero Ektar and Leica Noctilux |
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nemesis101
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 2050 Location: Oregon USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:15 am Post subject: |
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nemesis101 wrote:
And you are certain of this how?
The Federal Trade Commission has ordered auctions taken down where copyright is involved, as have the law enforcement agencies of a number of countries.. and what I suggested was that copying an auction is an offence and eBay has a duty to take down any auction where copyright is infringed, once the copyright holder has made them aware of the breach. When they failed to so do in Europe it proved a very costly mistake for them...
I am quite sure if no-one makes a fuss then they won't, and the last thing we need is to give eBay grounds for inaction by having them assert 'no complaints received'?
Doug.
M. Valdemar wrote: |
No Federal agency in existence is going to take any action against a copied eBay auction.
At any rate, to have a case, you have to prove damages.
Many very inexperienced people on internet forums have highly fanciful ideas about laws and enforcements. |
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Mike Deep
Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 323 Location: Upstate New York
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:38 am Post subject: |
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Mike Deep wrote:
Spiralcity, his auction still links to the images directly from your Photobucket. You still have some control. Rename or remove the images and he's got nothing. If you're feeling vindictive enough, put a new image of your choosing in the previous one's place (Rename the existing image, then upload a new one with the same name). |
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patrickh
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:49 am Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
I like that
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nemesis101
Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 2050 Location: Oregon USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:35 am Post subject: |
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nemesis101 wrote:
patrickh wrote: |
I like that
patrickh |
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:37 am Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
M. Valdemar wrote: |
People steal photos and descriptions all the time on eBay. It happens thousands of times a day.
It's annoying, but there's really nothing you can do about it. eBay refuses to take any action, usually.
In the long run, it's no big deal. It's his problem, not your problem. It will soon be forgotten, and it's not like he caused you any monetary damages, so just forget it.
Consider it a compliment that he thought your auction was so great.
(The whole "Federal Offense" idea about a silly little eBay auction is ridiculous) |
His auction is a lie ! He's not selling the MINT lens I posted, thats the problem I see with him using my auction.
I dont want nor did I suggest anything legal. I was hoping a few people would drop him a note and ask to see the lens he's actually selling. _________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
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Sevo
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Sevo wrote:
Well, put up some pictures of a beater lens under the same name on photobucket.
Sevo _________________ Sevo |
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alex
Joined: 18 Apr 2009 Posts: 561 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: |
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alex wrote:
A friend of mine, who is particular about the quality of photographs he uses, once put an iPod up for auction. Some time later, he found that a German seller had pinched his photographs for his own auctions, and moreover, made the mistake of linking directly to them, so that Ben's web space was being hit by fairly high traffic levels.
Ben got his girlfriend Birgitta, who's German, to prepare a new text to overlay the photographs, and replaced the originals. I can't remember the German text she devised, but it read in English something like 'All the items I sell are non-functioning dummies and do not work. If you ask for your money back, I'll tell you to *%&^% off.' (It was 'kiss my arse' but Ben's English version was more earthy still.)
It worked a treat. _________________ Alex
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GrahamNR17
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:49 am Post subject: |
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GrahamNR17 wrote:
Want ebay to remove his listing? Easy!
Just replace that photo with one of a little tiny dick (with the words "self portrait" imposed on it!) If he doesn't then change the listing, the ebay nudity police will |
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:15 am Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
I deleted the images at photobucket.
Thanks for all the input. _________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
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exe163
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:50 am Post subject: |
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exe163 wrote:
I don't see what the big deal this is about. I take description and picture (generic ones) from other auctions from time to time. I don't think you can tell the difference between a mint lens and a new lens from pictures anyways, the seller is just lazy to take one of his own. If there is a problem with the lens, the buyer probably will do a chargeback and put the seller in jeopardy. There's no gain in doing so. And you surely will not be put in disadvantage of any kind also. |
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scsambrook
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Someone relisted my AUCTION and lens as their own!!! |
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scsambrook wrote:
spiralcity wrote: |
Is there anything that can be done about ebay users listing an item that is not theres? I recenty sold my 50mm EBC 1.4. This guy has lefted my aution info and made them his own. This isnt even the glass he is selling. Mine was mint, I wonder what his really look like.
This is my lens and my auction template.
Click here to see on Ebay
Perhaps some of you can write this guy and ask what his lens really looks like... ?
Be sure to let him know that this was a members lens... |
Hi Spiralcity,
I just sent him a message via eBay asking to be assured it's the one in the pic, that it's really good, and for a pic of the rear mount. Be interesting to see what he says. Bidding's up to around $11 right now ...
Cheers
Stephen _________________ Stephen
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
exe163 wrote: |
I don't see what the big deal this is about. I take description and picture (generic ones) from other auctions from time to time. I don't think you can tell the difference between a mint lens and a new lens from pictures anyways, the seller is just lazy to take one of his own. If there is a problem with the lens, the buyer probably will do a chargeback and put the seller in jeopardy. There's no gain in doing so. And you surely will not be put in disadvantage of any kind also. |
The big deal is, It's not the lens he's selling! My photo's were MACRO shots, and yes, you could see the detail very close. It was easy to see that the lens was mint.
A bit of false advertising when you claim someone elses items as the item your selling, dont you think?
Are you claiming that you claim other peoples items as your own?
If so, please tell me your seller ID so I know never to bid with you. _________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Someone relisted my AUCTION and lens as their own!!! |
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spiralcity wrote:
scsambrook wrote: |
spiralcity wrote: |
Is there anything that can be done about ebay users listing an item that is not theres? I recenty sold my 50mm EBC 1.4. This guy has lefted my aution info and made them his own. This isnt even the glass he is selling. Mine was mint, I wonder what his really look like.
This is my lens and my auction template.
Click here to see on Ebay
Perhaps some of you can write this guy and ask what his lens really looks like... ?
Be sure to let him know that this was a members lens... |
Hi Spiralcity,
I just sent him a message via eBay asking to be assured it's the one in the pic, that it's really good, and for a pic of the rear mount. Be interesting to see what he says. Bidding's up to around $11 right now ...
Cheers
Stephen |
scsambrook,
Thanks for dropping him a note.
I removed my photos from photobucket so now he needs to add new pics of the item he's selling. This is the fair way to deal with customers. They may be able to see the actual item they are bidding on. _________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
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Orio
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
I moved the thread to Marketplace. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Mal1905
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Mal1905 wrote:
exe163 wrote: |
I don't see what the big deal this is about. I take description and picture (generic ones) from other auctions from time to time. I don't think you can tell the difference between a mint lens and a new lens from pictures anyways... |
The implication here is that you are misrepresenting goods as being your own - that's what the big deal is about...
As Spiralcity has already asked, I too would like your eBay username so I make sure never to bid on any of your auctions. _________________
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lulalake
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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lulalake wrote:
Mike Deep wrote: |
Spiralcity, his auction still links to the images directly from your Photobucket. You still have some control. Rename or remove the images and he's got nothing. If you're feeling vindictive enough, put a new image of your choosing in the previous one's place (Rename the existing image, then upload a new one with the same name). |
GREAT IDEA! In fact yu could put a dirty image there |
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spiralcity
Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 1207 Location: Chicago, U.S.A
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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spiralcity wrote:
lulalake wrote: |
Mike Deep wrote: |
Spiralcity, his auction still links to the images directly from your Photobucket. You still have some control. Rename or remove the images and he's got nothing. If you're feeling vindictive enough, put a new image of your choosing in the previous one's place (Rename the existing image, then upload a new one with the same name). |
GREAT IDEA! In fact yu could put a dirty image there |
I removed the images. Now he has empty photobucket logos in their place. _________________ Nikons : F4-EM-FG-FE2-FA-EL-FTN-N2020-N70-F Nikkorex
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:07 am Post subject: |
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Farside wrote:
exe163 wrote: |
I don't see what the big deal this is about. I take description and picture (generic ones) from other auctions from time to time. |
Generic ones, fine - one packet of cornflakes is the same as any other. This is different though and I'd be pissed off if I bought this and found it wasn't the same one he'd shown. _________________ Dave - Moderator
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