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lulalake
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 Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 2:21 am Post subject: This is getting difficult |
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lulalake wrote:
The new Panasonic Micro 4/3 price came out today: Press release below.
http://tinyurl.com/cddnx2
The problem is that a good used 5D is cheaper. Don’t know about you but I’m having a hard time deciding which one to get. I know that the only way to get a wide angle shot on the Panasonic is to use a Cine lens or a rangefinder lens. Not a bad way to go but expensive!
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A micro 4/3 camera that costs more than a used 5D. Tough choice.
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
If you have excellent reflex lenses. The 5d sounds the way.
The DR of that M 4/3 system can not match.
Of course that opinion comes from comparing the 5D to the original 4/3 system.
I think we can assume the same.
Again just an opinion. Lens conversion is another big knock.
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Knowing you, you must also take into account the possibility to easily remove the hot mirror  |
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Orio wrote:
In fact, when the 5D Mark II will become ridiculously cheap  , one can think of buying one of them and remove the mirror completely, and use it only with liveview  instant E.V.I.L. !
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kansalliskala wrote:
I would remove the electronics totally and fit them with a flexible bellows and 5 inch monitor to make a modern small view camera.
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my_photography
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 8:41 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| ....remove the mirror completely, and use it only with liveview instant E.V.I.L. ! |
I don't get you. Why do you want to remove the mirror? So that you can mount all lenses?
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Orio
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 8:43 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
| my_photography wrote: |
| Orio wrote: |
| ....remove the mirror completely, and use it only with liveview instant E.V.I.L. ! |
I don't get you. Why do you want to remove the mirror? So that you can mount all lenses? |
Precisely!. Without a mirror, you could mount also rangefinder lenses on a 5DMkII !
Think about it... mount all those great rangefinder lenses on a 5DMkII... Leica-M... Zeiss ZM... LeicaM39... Voigtlaender... Contax lenses... Contax G lenses!
doesn't is sound fantastic? 
Someone's got to realize this project !
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my_photography
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
Precisely!. Without a mirror, you could mount also rangefinder lenses on a 5DMkII !
Think about it... mount all those great rangefinder lenses on a 5DMkII... Leica-M... Zeiss ZM... LeicaM39... Voigtlaender... Contax lenses... Contax G lenses!
doesn't is sound fantastic?
Someone's got to realize this project ! |
Wow, pure E.V.I.L
Let's see who will be the first Adam or Eve here.
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Orio
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Perhaps a less painful way can be to make a first tentative with an APS-C camera.
the 1000D I think has liveview and should be around 500 Euros.
So still crazy, but a bit less crazy
But more important is to find someone willing to make the adapters that are necessary:
- Leica M bayonet to EOS
- Leica M39 thread to EOS
- Contax/Kiev bayonet to EOS
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Spotmatic
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
| Orio wrote: |
| my_photography wrote: |
| Orio wrote: |
| ....remove the mirror completely, and use it only with liveview instant E.V.I.L. ! |
I don't get you. Why do you want to remove the mirror? So that you can mount all lenses? |
Precisely!. Without a mirror, you could mount also rangefinder lenses on a 5DMkII !
Think about it... mount all those great rangefinder lenses on a 5DMkII... Leica-M... Zeiss ZM... LeicaM39... Voigtlaender... Contax lenses... Contax G lenses!
doesn't is sound fantastic?
Someone's got to realize this project ! |
Ask Alex (HK300). I believe he has a friend who is busy modifying a 5D.
The best way would be to remove the mirror completely, and move the sensor forward. A few cm's, just to be usable with rangefinder lenses. For normal reflex lenses, you'll only need to add an extension tube. And presto 
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lulalake
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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lulalake wrote:
| F16SUNSHINE wrote: |
If you have excellent reflex lenses. The 5d sounds the way.
The DR of that M 4/3 system can not match.
Of course that opinion comes from comparing the 5D to the original 4/3 system.
I think we can assume the same.
Again just an opinion. Lens conversion is another big knock. |
Yes that's is what I'm thinking also, The FF bodies are so good with 35mm reflex lenses, I have a lot of them, the IQ if the FF bodies is obviously better than the APC sensors so I probably will go with the 5D or the 5D MkII.
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lulalake
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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lulalake wrote:
| Jieffe wrote: |
| Knowing you, you must also take into account the possibility to easily remove the hot mirror |
HA HA! Well . . actually not as my Hot mirror has been removed from the 40D and it's fine (for now). I'm going for a great visible light camera so the FF bodies are really where I think I'll go.
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OregonJim
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OregonJim wrote:
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| The best way would be to remove the mirror completely, and move the sensor forward. A few cm's, just to be usable with rangefinder lenses. For normal reflex lenses, you'll only need to add an extension tube. And presto |
Why move the sensor forward? Wouldn't it be easier to engineer a mount adapter that allows the lens to be recessed into the body by the same amount? That is, if you're removing the mirror anyway... |
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
| OregonJim wrote: |
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| The best way would be to remove the mirror completely, and move the sensor forward. A few cm's, just to be usable with rangefinder lenses. For normal reflex lenses, you'll only need to add an extension tube. And presto |
Why move the sensor forward? Wouldn't it be easier to engineer a mount adapter that allows the lens to be recessed into the body by the same amount? That is, if you're removing the mirror anyway... |
That sounds logical indeed, but on some/most lenses, the focus and/or diaphragm ring will be (partly) inaccessible, making your solution awkward.
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OregonJim
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OregonJim wrote:
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| OregonJim wrote: |
| Spotmatic wrote: |
| The best way would be to remove the mirror completely, and move the sensor forward. A few cm's, just to be usable with rangefinder lenses. For normal reflex lenses, you'll only need to add an extension tube. And presto |
Why move the sensor forward? Wouldn't it be easier to engineer a mount adapter that allows the lens to be recessed into the body by the same amount? That is, if you're removing the mirror anyway... |
That sounds logical indeed, but on some/most lenses, the focus and/or diaphragm ring will be (partly) inaccessible, making your solution awkward. |
Somehow I missed the fact that you were talking about rangefinder lenses - in that case, yes, it would be awkward (if not unusable). An additional glass element in the adapter would make it workable, but that kinda defeats the purpose. Oh well... |
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