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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: "There is some interior haze"? Reply with quote

"The glass is clean and clear with no scratches, fungus or haze. There is some interior haze."
Is this a problem? I haven't seen a haze before Smile What is the effect of it?


PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to translate ebay descriptions like that as "I cleaned the dirt off the outside with some toilet paper, but the inner surfaces are a mess".

Sevo


PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sevo wrote:
I tend to translate ebay descriptions like that as "I cleaned the dirt off the outside with some toilet paper, but the inner surfaces are a mess".

Sevo

Laughing


PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You sometimes find lenses that have some internal elements which are neither scratched nor infected by fungus but still are not as transparent as a clean glass. There seems to be some kind of veil, some light fog on these elements. This "haze" can be caused by tiny drops of humidity due to internal condensation or by fumes of glue that has been used or by another reason.

Sometimes this haze does not have any considerable effect (like with my Nikkor-Q.C 3.5/135), sometimes it lowers contrast and impairs effective lens speed (like with my Spiratone).

In many cases this haze is not getting worse. I just had my (hazy) Nikkor-Q.C 3.5/135 checked by a pro and he told me not to worry and to do nothing but using this lens. Wink


PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if center part covered with haze fully result will be very contrast less. Some haze is not a problem.


PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long time ago.... girlfriend (not anymore Evil or Very Mad ) left new zoomlens for my rikoh kr super on the car dashboard for 5 hours in the sun
when i removed it from the dashboard i couldnt touch it from the temperature and had to use a cloth
The next day on the camera it was totally hazed up i could not even see anything but white haze

i think the grease in the alluminium outside parts of the lens housing boiled off in the heat and then condensed on the slightly cooler glas parts of the lens....evenyually got new one....no not zoom ...girlfriend Laughing


PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty wrote:
Long time ago.... girlfriend (not anymore Evil or Very Mad ) left new zoomlens for my rikoh kr super on the car dashboard for 5 hours in the sun
when i removed it from the dashboard i couldnt touch it from the temperature and had to use a cloth
The next day on the camera it was totally hazed up i could not even see anything but white haze

i think the grease in the alluminium outside parts of the lens housing boiled off in the heat and then condensed on the slightly cooler glas parts of the lens....evenyually got new one....no not zoom ...girlfriend Laughing


Smile Yes, possible reason to get haze.


PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, it is a big risk for a min 200usd lens so I will look for a clean one.


PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yalcinaydin wrote:
Hmm, it is a big risk for a min 200usd lens so I will look for a clean one.


Yes, worst than scratch . I take lens with haze only if lens is rare.


PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But perhaps haze is cleanable. Scratch is not repairable (unless you replace the glass).


PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yalcinaydin wrote:
Hmm, it is a big risk for a min 200usd lens so I will look for a clean one.


Yes, indeed. I would accept some haze in a cheap lens, but not in an expensive one. (Unless you can get a $2000,- lens for $200,- Wink)


PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an interesting topic, and one that begs to be asked by a newbie:

What is the haze from, usually?

Is it something on the outer surfaces of the glass, or is it typically
a heat or chemical reaction to the cement used to bond glass elements
together?

I ask this because I would like to open up lenses for cleaning,
if I should find really great bargains on lenses that need some attention.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"A fast one... so don't let it get away. WOW F2.8 straight through this zoom lens. The glass is clean and clear with no scratches, fungus or haze. There is some interior haze. Includes the hood and a Nikon AI-S adapter, but you can use any one you have for your body. In the case."

This rating system and description is really confusing. They say that they can send to APO address so it was a chance of avoiding customs Smile Now, I will wait for another hooded Tamron SP 80-200/2.8.

Condition: E


Quote:
Please Use the Following Scale & Guidelines:

* N) New (Brand new)
All original packaging and manuals included.
* D) Demo (Like New) 98-100% of original condition
Like New with little or no signs of use.
* E+) Excellent Plus 96-97% of original condition
May have slight wear but only visible under close up inspection.
* E) Excellent 90-95% of original condition
Lens Glass very clean - cosmetically may show slight wear and/or signs of use.

* E-) Excellent Minus 85-89% of original condition
Shows signs of moderate use - Lens Glass is perfect but may have some dust which will not affect picture quality.
* V) Very Good 75-84% of original condition
Appears well used and may include dings, brassing, scrapes and bruises but is in fully functional condition. Glass may have marks or haze that should not affect picture quality.
* G) Good 50-74% of original condition
Appears to have been used very heavily with multiple dings, scrapes, scratches and heavy brassing. Glass may have fungus, excessive dust and/or scratches that can affect picture quality.
* F) Fair Item works with certain malfunctions. Read comments for exact malfunction details.
* X) For parts only.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SkedAddled wrote:
This is an interesting topic, and one that begs to be asked by a newbie:

What is the haze from, usually?

Is it something on the outer surfaces of the glass, or is it typically
a heat or chemical reaction to the cement used to bond glass elements
together?

I ask this because I would like to open up lenses for cleaning,
if I should find really great bargains on lenses that need some attention.


As mentioned previously, it seems to come mainly from evaporated grease within the lens.

Some haze is easy to clean if you can get inside to the right lens element.

However, I'd say a high proportion of haze is difficult to clean. This seems to be particularly true for low dispersion lens elements(LD, SD, etc). (You can usually tell which ones these are because the seem to look "white" on the SIDES of the element, while regular glass seesm to be darker)

I've found quite a few that I've been unable to clean with any solvent I've used. Includes Ronsonol, acetone, paint thinner, etc.

Common lenses are Sigma 70-300mm APO, Tokina 35-200mm AT-X SD.

I've also found one that has haze between cemented elements. (Tokina 80-200mm AT-X SD)

There was also a Konica Hexanon 135mm F3.5, with a thick coating of melted grease on some lens elements, that had haze I couldn't remove.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dnas wrote:



I've also found one that has haze between cemented elements. (Tokina 80-200mm AT-X SD)



one of our members repaired the hazing for a 80-200 (see the below thread)

http://forum.mflenses.com/repairing-cemented-lenses-t13595.html


PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a very good repair, isn't it??!!!! Very Happy


PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twenty years ago - or so - I had a tele tessar 4/135 for Rollei with haze internal between the first and the second elements.

I cleaned it in several times, but the haze became again and again.

I didn't know (nor now) why it ocurred.

The repairman told me that don't matter to me, "use the lens" - he said

I sold it WITH HAZE.

The haze isn't a good experience to me. Never will buy a lens with haze again

Rino.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

estudleon wrote:
Twenty years ago - or so - I had a tele tessar 4/135 for Rollei with haze internal between the first and the second elements.

I cleaned it in several times, but the haze became again and again.

I didn't know (nor now) why it ocurred.

The repairman told me that don't matter to me, "use the lens" - he said

I sold it WITH HAZE.

The haze isn't a good experience to me. Never will buy a lens with haze again

Rino.


It seems that some grease on the focusing threads can evaporate and settle on the internal elements. Just a case of the wrong type of grease used in that lens?


PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know. But I will not repeat the experience.

Rino.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The quality and performance of a camera lens or any other type is proportionate to the quality of the lenses used in its construction. Lenses by definition are clear, their job is to transmit light (making an image) in the most efficient way that can be devised.
I have never seen a hazy lens that can produce good results, ANY type of haze on a lens will degrade the performance.
Whether the proportion of degradation is acceptable to you is a different question. The question of it being remedied is always a risk unless it is a very simple lens.
The bottom lime is unless the lens is dirt cheap or only wanted for show or to play with give it a wide berth.
Never buy a lens without shining a bright light through it (A small torch) if it isn’t clear don’t expect clear pictures.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haze is worst case in lens problems as Rob said it impact picture quality at covered parts. Some of them cleanable , because just dust some of them un-cleanable with simple methods. I buy lenses with haze if lens is rare and I can't take other one. I also buy lenses with haze if cover the edges only, because on my 2x crop DSLR not impact anything.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might be generally true, but as I said, I get great results from my Nikkor 3.5/135 that has some haze inside.
And a pro told me not to bother, because any attempt to repair could make it worse than having slight haze if not done professionally.
It will lower contrast a little, yes, but that's all. This is what he said and what I can confirm from my experiences.


PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I received a Pentax M 50/1,7 on a trade today...it seems like it might have haze near the front Sad

There are what look like very small speckles covering the whole element. I could not see this until I started looking for internal issues. Tomorrow, I'll try to get a pic OF the lens and WITH the lens...


PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LucisPictor wrote:
This might be generally true, but as I said, I get great results from my Nikkor 3.5/135 that has some haze inside.
And a pro told me not to bother, because any attempt to repair could make it worse than having slight haze if not done professionally.
It will lower contrast a little, yes, but that's all. This is what he said and what I can confirm from my experiences.


I read in an old shutterbug (c 1988 ) that a professional (in events eg. marriages, birthday if I'm not wrong) that used a hasselblad with one lens with fungus (yes, not haze, but "problematic lens" too). Shocked

He said that used a tele 150 mm with scratches front element too. Shocked Shocked

Did he sell used lenses?

Rino.


PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I need to sell my lenses I also keep with fungus and scratches, because most of them not impact anything and re-sell value is low.