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estudleon
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Yes, Attila. They usually be a bargain.
My flektogon 20/4 don't look well (it ihas haze and fungus), but it woks fine (better than other fleks cosmetically beauty that I had) and at F/8 and 11 it's sharp.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007
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Attila wrote:
| estudleon wrote: |
Yes, Attila. They usually be a bargain.
My flektogon 20/4 don't look well (it ihas haze and fungus), but it woks fine (better than other fleks cosmetically beauty that I had) and at F/8 and 11 it's sharp.
Rino. |
People looking always MINT lenses even for usage not for collection and they rare think about why a lens survive 50 years without usage.
Theres is some obvious answer.
1) Lens was very expensive, owner used only with care sometimes.
2) Lens was a lemon copy with bad IQ people sold to each other many times, nobody used more than one times.
3) Came from an old stock , good lens but wasn't used.
Any of them possible.
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008
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Location: Argentina
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| estudleon wrote: |
Yes, Attila. They usually be a bargain.
My flektogon 20/4 don't look well (it ihas haze and fungus), but it woks fine (better than other fleks cosmetically beauty that I had) and at F/8 and 11 it's sharp.
Rino. |
People looking always MINT lenses even for usage not for collection and they rare think about why a lens survive 50 years without usage.
Theres is some obvious answer.
1) Lens was very expensive, owner used only with care sometimes.
2) Lens was a lemon copy with bad IQ people sold to each other many times, nobody used more than one times.
3) Came from an old stock , good lens but wasn't used.
Any of them possible. |
Good!! Complete.
Be a little collector is a part in our hobby?
I think YES.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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indianadinos
Joined: 06 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: "There is some interior haze"? |
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indianadinos wrote:
Hi Yalcin,
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"The glass is clean and clear with no scratches, fungus or haze. There is some interior haze."
Is this a problem? I haven't seen a haze before  What is the effect of it? |
Someone said that a picture is worth one thousand words ...
CZJ Flektogon 35/2.8 (alu finish) with haze, before cleaning:
As it should have been:
If you are lucky (as i was), the haze is probably coming from cigarette smoke (or the like), and it will be quite easy to clean (provided that you will be able to disassemble the lens) with a few drops of Zippo fluid ...
Hope this helps
Best regards
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Pentax-K: M28/2.8, K28/3.5, M50/1.4, A50/1.7, M50/4 Macro, K85/1.8, K105/2.8, K135/2.5, M200/4, M70-150/4
Zeiss: Flektogon 20/2.8, 20/4, 35/2.4, 35/2.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Pancolar 50/1.8, Biotar 58/2, Sonnar 135/3.5, Sonnar 180/2.8
Meyer: Primagon 35/4.5, Domiplan 50/2.8, Oreston 50/1.8, Primoplan 58/1.9, Trioplan 100/2.8, Orestor 100/2.8, Orestor 135/2.8
Schacht/Steinheil: Travenar 90/2.8, Travenon 135/4.5, Quinar 135/2.8, Quinar 135/3.5
Russian: MIR 37B, Industar 50/3.5, Helios 44M & 44M-2, Jupiter 37A
P6: Flektogon 50/4, Biometar 80/2.8, Orestor 300/4
Nikkor: Nikkor-O 35/2, Micro 55/3.5, Nikkor-S 50/1.4, Nikkor-Q 135/2.8
Fuji: EBC 28/3.5, EBC 55/3.5 Macro, EBC 135/2.5
Misc Lenses: Kiron 105/2.8 Macro, Tamron SP90/2.5
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dnas
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:08 am Post subject: |
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dnas wrote:
Of the hazy lenses that I've attempted to clean(and have been able to get to those lens elements), I'd say that less that half have been cleanable.
On the whole, I'd say if there was a choice between a lens with fungus and a lens with haze, I'd choose the one with fungus. I've been able to clean maybe 90% of fungus from lenses without any obvious signs of any damage afterwards.
The difficult hazey lens elements to clean seem to be the low dispersion elements. |
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ryan s
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Location: Madison, WI
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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ryan s wrote:
Here is the lens I received a few days ago. Looking through it with normal light, I can see nothing. Using a flashlight, this is the view I see:
1024px wide image http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3114/3220323463_159b2653b3_b.jpg
The lens is a Pentax SMC M 50 f/1.7 valued at $50. Should I send it back? Request some money back? Keep it as is? Please help 
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Attila
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This is not really haze , rather than a bit more dust than usual. I think this is not impact anything. Haze is covered fully part of lens, allow to throw less light than this,
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ryan s
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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ryan s wrote:
Thanks for the reply Attila. When I looked through it the first time I went  I am worried most about reduced contrast and extra flare. The sun is not out so testing would be difficult at the moment.
Would there be a reduction of value of this lens? Should I request any money back? Or just get to using it? 
Then again...the lens I used to take this pic is infested with a couple sections of fungus and plenty of dust. I use it without hesitation and have made 16x20" prints with it. So maybe I'm being a hypochondriac about the M50?
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Attila
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
It reduce lens value but not much, if lens is rare it not reduce anything.
I have many old lenses with this amount of dust they are perform well.
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Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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estudleon
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Dust is easy to clean if it is necesary, of course.
Dust is one thing totally different to haze (and to a fungus too).
Lens with dust can be a bargain. I buy a good lens with dust without any hesitation.
Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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ryan s
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: |
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ryan s wrote:
Thanks for all the help
I believe these are easy to take apart from the front, and this layer should be right near the front. I just might try to see what happens. I stripped an A 50/2 to the bone, repaired the focus and aperture ring and got it together and it focused to infinity...my first lens repair 
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