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Nitsan
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 Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:25 am Post subject: Versions of the Helios 40? - Which one to buy? |
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Nitsan wrote:
Hey guys
I've searched online and could not find an answer for this.
Anyone know which versions of the Helios 40 will adapt to Canon and reach infinity focus without corrective glass?
There's ones listed as m42, m39 and ones listed as both. (there's new Canon mount ones too, but those are the most expensive.)
Anyone know if there's any versions to avoid? I've seen a few sample shots that had bad CA and a few that were extra soft, unlike most samples from this lens which are really good, any idea which versions are good/bad that?
M39 is cheapest, so I'd rather go with that if that can be adapted to Canon properly.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Versions of the Helios 40? - Which one to buy? |
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fotkino wrote:
| Nitsan wrote: |
Hey guys
I've searched online and could not find an answer for this.
Anyone know which versions of the Helios 40 will adapt to Canon and reach infinity focus without corrective glass?
There's ones listed as m42, m39 and ones listed as both. (there's new Canon mount ones too, but those are the most expensive.)
Anyone know if there's any versions to avoid? I've seen a few sample shots that had bad CA and a few that were extra soft, unlike most samples from this lens which are really good, any idea which versions are good/bad that?
M39 is cheapest, so I'd rather go with that if that can be adapted to Canon properly.
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Hello! There are three versions of this lens. Old "Silver" for M39, old "black" 40-2 for M42, and the new "black" 40-2 for M42.
All versions for M39 and M42 made for a SLR cameras and perfectly suited to a canon with lensless adapter EOS - M42.
If you take "silver" M39 version - you need additional small ring M39-M42 to your lens EOS-M42 adapter.
IMHO better version of this lens - old 40-2 (M42) or new 40-2 (M42) for a many reason.
Old "Silver" have a problem with a color tone - its too warm and yellow, very hard to finde sharp one, more CA, may be a problem with a coating (old coating may have a cracks or lacks).
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fotkino
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Versions of the Helios 40? - Which one to buy? |
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fotkino wrote:
P.S.
there is a rare version of helios 40 for the TV cameras - helios 40-T, its a little more sharper.
so i hear about helios-40 silver for M42, but I've only seen on the M39.
pay attention to the full analog of helios 40-2, lens for night vision device - "Cyclop" (m42), exactly copy of a lens block as the Helios 40-2, but there is no diaphragm, more lightweight, heavy front cap from a metall (military design) more comfortable for focusing (a half of body turn for focusing) and this lens much more cheaper! If you need only swirly bokeh - you dont need a diafragm 
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Versions of the Helios 40? - Which one to buy? |
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Attila wrote:
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P.S.
pay attention to the full analog of helios 40-2, lens for night vision device - "Cyclop" (m42), exactly copy of a lens block as the Helios 40-2, but there is no diaphragm, more lightweight, heavy front cap from a metall (military design) more comfortable for focusing (a half of body turn for focusing) and this lens much more cheaper! If you need only swirly bokeh - you dont need a diafragm |
I did try two version from this lens , one was triplet only with long protrude back , had to cut it . It has very heavy CA, not related to Helios-40 at all. Another version has normal back it was different look than Helios-40 also, but much less CA , probably scheme was almost same or same. I think an exact copy of Helios-40 also exists, but I didn't have yet. I did also try a 85mm f1.2 it has most unique bokeh from all.
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Nitsan
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| Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Nitsan wrote:
Thanks very much for the info guys!
Good to know I can adapt all the versions.
I'll try to get the 2 version.
The half turn sounds fantastic for the cyclop but not having an aperture might be a bit of a problem, and I would not be happy if it had bad CA problems. It's also about the same price so I might go for the Helios.
Is the Helios a full 360 turn for focus? (sounds annoying, similar to my Samyang 85/1.4)
Which 85/1.2 are you talking about? Is it worth looking into?
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Attila wrote:
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Which 85/1.2 are you talking about? Is it worth looking into?
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All usable well with external blades in adapter as I did on Sony NEX-3
Cyclop 85mm f1.5 newer design looks photographic lens , no or minimal CA , not require machine works to cut rear protrude back.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/russian_lens/cyclop_85mm_f1_5_m42/
Cyclop 85mm f1.2 looks last two pictures for bokeh
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/russian_lens/cyclop_85mm_f1_2_m42/
Cyclop 85mm f1.5 with long protrude and heavy CA triplet lens
http://forum.mflenses.com/cyclop-85mm-f1-5-latest-version-long-rear-part-t53540,highlight,%2Bcyclop.html
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Nordentro wrote:
My old silver Helios 40 is slightly sharper than my Cyclop 1.5. 
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Nitsan
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Nitsan wrote:
Great thanks guys. They Cyclop is tempting but it's almost the same cost as the new 40-2 so i'll go with that.
I'll sell the Samyang 85 to help fund it.
Apart from ebay, is there anywhere to buy the 40-2? (the 0.8 focus is important to me, my Samyang is annoying at only 1m) |
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Attila wrote:
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| My old silver Helios 40 is slightly sharper than my Cyclop 1.5. |
I kept only old silver Helios-40 I did love best from all include Helios-40-2 black multiply copies.
1m or 80cm not doesn't matter ?
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Nitsan
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Nitsan wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| Nordentro wrote: |
| My old silver Helios 40 is slightly sharper than my Cyclop 1.5. |
I kept only old silver Helios-40 I did love best from all include Helios-40-2 black multiply copies.
1m or 80cm not doesn't matter ? |
Yes for me 80cm is important. My Samyang 85mm f1.4 is only 100cm and a problem for some shots. |
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brody
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brody wrote:
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Great thanks guys. They Cyclop is tempting but it's almost the same cost as the new 40-2 so i'll go with that.
I'll sell the Samyang 85 to help fund it.
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Let me advise you it would be VERY FOOLISH to sell Samyang 85 for Helios 40-2. I own both at the moment and Samyang beats Helios in every possible way. The only good thing about Helios is the swirly bokeh, which can even be disturbing in some cases. The shorter focusing distance doesn't really matter, it feels almost the same. If you've been shooting with the Samyang, you'll be disappointed in the Helios, trust me.
I've always said that owning Samyang 85 (the best portrait lens on the market) has ruined the whole Helios experience for me.
Hope you make the right choice...Cheers! |
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Pancolart wrote:
I am trying to find a balance between Cyclop wide-open and closed-down (custom aperture added). Balance among crazy bokeh having lower contrast and sharpness and little less crazy bokeh and enhanced contrast / sharpness. The cool thing is you get perfect circle bokeh with such. Here's a compromise i think around F1.7 (NEX):
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Nitsan
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Nitsan wrote:
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Let me advise you it would be VERY FOOLISH to sell Samyang 85 for Helios 40-2. I own both at the moment and Samyang beats Helios in every possible way. The only good thing about Helios is the swirly bokeh, which can even be disturbing in some cases. The shorter focusing distance doesn't really matter, it feels almost the same. If you've been shooting with the Samyang, you'll be disappointed in the Helios, trust me.
I've always said that owning Samyang 85 (the best portrait lens on the market) has ruined the whole Helios experience for me.
Hope you make the right choice...Cheers![/quote]
Hey,
You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but strictly speaking that's not really true. - There are better lenses than the samyang 85, but definitely not for the same price.
I now have the Helios 40-2 as well and the quality is great on both. Thing is, the weight and price of the helios means I'll probably be selling it again after posting a review. |
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Great thanks guys. They Cyclop is tempting but it's almost the same cost as the new 40-2 so i'll go with that.
I'll sell the Samyang 85 to help fund it. |
You can find the Cyclop for quite low price mounted on Cyclop nightvision google (less than 100 euros). Usualy, you can only find them on ebay.de ( exemple : http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nachtsichtgerat-Cyclop-1-/251259186040?pt=Jagen&hash=item3a8036eb78 ), but some of them are non-helios Cyclop (ref to Attila's post about versions). Usualy, final prices are around 100 euros (more or less)
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Nordentro wrote:
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Great thanks guys. They Cyclop is tempting but it's almost the same cost as the new 40-2 so i'll go with that.
I'll sell the Samyang 85 to help fund it. |
You can find the Cyclop for quite low price mounted on Cyclop nightvision google (less than 100 euros). Usualy, you can only find them on ebay.de ( exemple : http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nachtsichtgerat-Cyclop-1-/251259186040?pt=Jagen&hash=item3a8036eb78 ), but some of them are non-helios Cyclop (ref to Attila's post about versions). Usualy, final prices are around 100 euros (more or less) |
+1, I bought mine for 60 euros in mint condition from ebay.de 
All this Cyclop talk made my take mine downstairs to do some test shots
5 min ago, my daughter Hermine (Hermione in English)
Little pp on this one, but an excellent portrait lens with beautiful softness IMHO
A couple more
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Pancolart wrote:
Superb shots. 3rd is my favorite.
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Attila wrote:
| brody wrote: |
| Nitsan wrote: |
Great thanks guys. They Cyclop is tempting but it's almost the same cost as the new 40-2 so i'll go with that.
I'll sell the Samyang 85 to help fund it.
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Let me advise you it would be VERY FOOLISH to sell Samyang 85 for Helios 40-2. I own both at the moment and Samyang beats Helios in every possible way. The only good thing about Helios is the swirly bokeh, which can even be disturbing in some cases. The shorter focusing distance doesn't really matter, it feels almost the same. If you've been shooting with the Samyang, you'll be disappointed in the Helios, trust me.
I've always said that owning Samyang 85 (the best portrait lens on the market) has ruined the whole Helios experience for me.
Hope you make the right choice...Cheers! |
Welcome!
Diversity is important we are lucky we have both, I never had Samyang still on my wish list to try it out. I wasn't fond of Helios-40-2 also. I had multiply times I did always sell it. A people love it B people not , this is natural circle of life.
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SonicScot wrote:
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| Superb shots. 3rd is my favorite. |
Ditto.
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Jester wrote:
KMZ "Zenit" reastart production of this lens:
http://www.zenit-foto.ru/en/production-kmz/photo-equipment/54-english/produktsiya-eng/764-helios-40-2
Available Canon EOS version for around $400 new.
Anyone try it? Any difference from old one, coating? |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
There's a thread here, with some samples towards the end - http://forum.mflenses.com/production-resumed-helios-40-2-zenitar-telezenitar-t52875.html
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Jester wrote:
Thanks. dont find this topic myself. |
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vanylapep wrote:
So what's the conclusion, which version to get? |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
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| So what's the conclusion, which version to get? |
I don't have one, but new production lenses are going for the same price or even lower then vintage ones on Ebay, so I'd buy new.
Anyone ever deal with kievcamera.net, they've got a sale on apparently, $439 USD, damn my wallet is tingling.
http://kievcamera.net/category.php?id_category=17
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