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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:52 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Full disclosure: I took a year-long course in lathe and mill operation, both hand and CNC. I also own a medium-small hand-operated lathe: 19" bed with a 10" swing as I recall.
Now as far as beautifully machined lens barrels (and their focusing rings and aperture rings, etc.) go, yes it is possible to do a brilliant job with a very good lathe. At my school, we had leftovers and donations. One of my favorites was a giant lathe -- had about an 8-ft. bed and it had a brass tag indicating it was US "War Dept." property. Well the US War Department existed from 1787 until 1947, where after it became the US Dept of Defense. I suspect, however, that it was older than 1947-ish. It was a marvelous old beast, and most of the other students didn't like using it because of its size. But I didn't mind, and I was able to crank out amazingly small projects on it. Just had to be able to center well whatever the project was in its 12" or so chuck jaws.
So anyway, I've produced pieces with mirror-level shine and with accuracy to within 0.001" (which is all my lathes could produce). And I can deeply admire these old lenses -- and many other finely machined items -- because I know they were produced back in the day when everything was done by hand. Even machining is an intensely hands-on process.
But nowadays it is all CNC and I can't help but marvel at how well an automated lathe or mill can crank out an item that I've designed and that the resolution of the item is determined solely by the resolution of the machine I've fed the program into.
So even though it's all CNC nowadays, there is still pleasure to be derived -- by the person who wrote the program that produced that item -- and admiration to be had by folks who understand what it took to write the code to produce that item. _________________ Michael
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 1:08 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I think we tend to forget just how many people were highly skilled in manual labour in the past. my dad, for example, can fix almost anything or fabricate almost anything out of anything or build anything, our house is nice only because he's built and rebuilt most of it over 40 years.
I come from a place where it was all heavy industry for over a century - shipbuilding, aircraft manufacture, hovercraft manufacture, all kinds of heavy industry and lots of smaller industries too.
Then during the world wars there were all the women who were trained to turn out all kinds of weapons and equipment.
So i doubt this lens modification and appreciation thing is a modern fad, I bet there were a lot of amateur photographers who could operate machine tools with skill in the old days.
Michael, now you disclosed that gem I have to admit if you weren't thousands of miles away on another continent I'd have to befriend you as I have a ton of lenses that require mounting or modification!
Anyone in the north of England with a lathe and the skills to use it? lol _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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cooltouch
Joined: 15 Jan 2009 Posts: 9096 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:10 am Post subject: |
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cooltouch wrote:
Ian, there are at least a couple of very active groups on Yahoo for cutting machines, especially lathes and mills. Here are a few I drop in occasionally and take a look at:
An active group for the small lathes like the one I have:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9x20Lathe/
All sorts of machines for the home machinist:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/home_machinist/
Specializing in CAD and CAM but can be useful for other stuff, especially questions.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CAD_CAM_EDM_DRO/
Anyway, you might be able to find somebody in your area who subscibes to one of these groups. Only way to find out would be to join and ask. The only other thing I can think of is joining one or more newsgroups. I guess people still participate in them these days. _________________ Michael
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 2:29 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I keep thinking of getting a small lathe, never used one though.
Thanks for the info, I'll see what I can turn up. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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mmelvis
Joined: 24 May 2010 Posts: 1326 Location: Florida,USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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mmelvis wrote:
Angenieux 10x18 j1 (18-180 F2.2)
My beauty, just a raw lens
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Arninetyes
Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Arninetyes wrote:
One of my favorite lenses, and probably the prettiest one I have, is an old Zoom Nikkor 25-50/4 Ais. While not as pretty as some of the others shown in this forum, it was built back when Nikon still had some pride in the quality of their products. To me, it's a prime example of industrial art. I looked around to see if I had a better picture of it; I don't, so this one will have to do.
I have a gorgeous old Micro Nikkor 55/3.5. I should take a couple pix of it.
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:48 am Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
Love those two zooms above
well I just put up a thread on this, but I think it may qualify here
I call it "the lens from U.N.C.L.E" _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16627 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Just got a package today I was eagerly expecting...
S-OPTON stands for S-ORTHOPLANAR as Zeiss West was in legal conflict with Zeiss Jena, so the full lens name
could not be used, nor the name ZEISS!
Another one of the milestones in Zeiss' lens design, done by Zeiss Chief lens designer Prof Glatzel; the highest
resolving ZEISS medium format lens I am aware of (for white light, not just monochromatic) with excellent correction
of all lens errors. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Niederrhein, Germany
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
Didn't even know about it's existence...
Congratulations!!!!
Klaus _________________ my Ebay auctions
Canon 5D II,
Fuji GW690III, Fuji G617, Fujifilm X-E1
Bessaflex TM
Tachihara 4"x5"
Summilux-R 1:1,4/50
Canon FD 85mm 1:1,2
Color-Heliar 75mm F2.5 SL
www.autoselbstfotografie.de
www.classic-cameras-and-lenses.de |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16627 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Thanks Klaus, appreciate it. I knew about it, but could only locate one a few weeks ago.
Quite a rare lens actually anyway in both versions and this one is MINT and looks unused.
I had made an adapter and special focusing helicoid for it, so maybe I'll give it a try soon... _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Niederrhein, Germany
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
Looking forward to seeing the results
Klaus _________________ my Ebay auctions
Canon 5D II,
Fuji GW690III, Fuji G617, Fujifilm X-E1
Bessaflex TM
Tachihara 4"x5"
Summilux-R 1:1,4/50
Canon FD 85mm 1:1,2
Color-Heliar 75mm F2.5 SL
www.autoselbstfotografie.de
www.classic-cameras-and-lenses.de |
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
In the eye of the beholder? My 135mm Series 1...
_________________ Regards,
Woodrim |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16627 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Well, a bit of TLC and it'll look much differently, as I can't see mechanical damage. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Klaus! Holy Cow, how do you FIND these marvels?
This is a medium format lens, you say?
It just EXUDES some kind of mystery and provenance.
Your collection is staggering. _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 4809 Location: Western Washington State
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
woodrim - I LOVE that well-used lens. It definitely has character to it! _________________
Assent, and you are sane;
Demur,—you ’re straightway dangerous,
And handled with a chain.
Emily Dickinson
Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16627 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Laurence wrote: |
Klaus! Holy Cow, how do you FIND these marvels?
This is a medium format lens, you say?
It just EXUDES some kind of mystery and provenance.
Your collection is staggering. |
Thanks Larry, here is the full data:
http://www.macrolenses.de/ml_detail.php?ObjektiveNr=378 _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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vlousada
Joined: 11 Dec 2010 Posts: 345 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:52 am Post subject: |
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vlousada wrote:
VERY GOOD STUFF!
Thank you for the information.
Regards
Vitor |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16627 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:01 am Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Most welcome Vitor! _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
this thing just showed......
the hood:
I have to do some work on adapters before I can shoot...
should be interesting _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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exaklaus
Joined: 11 Aug 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Niederrhein, Germany
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:14 am Post subject: |
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exaklaus wrote:
Kilfitt or Zoomar lens!
Looks promising.Show a bit more
Klaus _________________ my Ebay auctions
Canon 5D II,
Fuji GW690III, Fuji G617, Fujifilm X-E1
Bessaflex TM
Tachihara 4"x5"
Summilux-R 1:1,4/50
Canon FD 85mm 1:1,2
Color-Heliar 75mm F2.5 SL
www.autoselbstfotografie.de
www.classic-cameras-and-lenses.de |
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uhoh7
Joined: 24 Nov 2010 Posts: 1300 Location: Idaho, USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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uhoh7 wrote:
exaklaus wrote: |
Kilfitt or Zoomar lens!
Looks promising.Show a bit more
Klaus |
haha. I knew it would not take long for ID around here.
Once I'm up and running with it I'll do a thread.
It's a Kilfitt sport fern kilar 600mm which popped up for 360USD at one of the forums. Quite a few marks around the edges of the elements, but I think it will shoot.
As you know, this was the gold standard for long lens photojournalism in the late 50's
also just scored another prize I've been searching for: pen-F 42/1.2
I better start selling things :0 _________________ Making MFlenses safe for the letter *L* |
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
woodrim wrote: |
In the eye of the beholder? My 135mm Series 1...
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This lens generally seems to have problems with the paint. _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
Things ON SALE
Carsten = "KAPCTEH" = "Karusutenu" | T-shirt?.........................My photos from Emilia: http://www.schouler.net/emilia/emilia2011.html
My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
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