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Darioratti
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Darioratti wrote:
Has anyone any info of this lens mpunted on an EOS?
Pending imminent purchase at around the 50 mm focal length, I'm considering it as an alternative to the zeiss 50mm 1.4 (or maybe even the canon 50 1.2).
I'm looking for a really good mf lens with high optical quality and furthermore "fast".
I'm open to diy conversions (have already done so employing leitax) and am happy of the result.
Any other suggestion is more than welcome!
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jjphoto wrote:
There were different versions of the R 50 cron.
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Orio wrote:
I have photos taken with the Summicron-R 50 last version in these series:
http://forum.mflenses.com/lake-como-part-1-moltrasio-t34566.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/lake-como-part-2-moltrasio-t34567.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/lake-como-part-3-moltrasio-cernobbio-t34568.html
and in older series as well (search forum).
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iunknown wrote:
I've got it along with the Zeiss, and like it a lot. Its a portrait lens so its not as sharp as the Zeiss. Handles highlights better and more pleasing color rendition. I did comparison test, I'll try to remember to upload them tonight. Very minor differences though.
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
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| Its a portrait lens so its not as sharp as the Zeiss. |
Oh, I do not agree with this statement. My copy of Summicron-R 50 is much sharper than the 1.4/50 Planar when both lenses stopped down.
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pirius
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pirius wrote:
I am a much bigger fan of the Summilux 50/1.4, but it really comes down to your personal taste. Both are great. |
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Rolf wrote:
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| Its a portrait lens so its not as sharp as the Zeiss. |
Oh, I do not agree with this statement. My copy of Summicron-R 50 is much sharper than the 1.4/50 Planar when both lenses stopped down. |
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This was the Leica-R standard lens for R 4 etc. Very good performer and easy to convert. Is not a portrait lens. I converted it to Nikon F mount.
http://forum.mflenses.com/coal-mine-nachtigall-with-leica-summicron-2-50mm-t32899,highlight,%2Bsummicron.html
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koji wrote:
Me too changed its mount to F-mount by using a kinda expensive LEITAX one.
I'm planning to change some more of my Leica-R lenses using cheap chinese made ones. 
http://www.pbase.com/kkawakami/leica_summicron_r_50mm
It is hard to decide which Summicron-R 50 or Summilux-R 50(E55) to pick,
but I tend to like Summicron a bit more. It is a very versatile lens.
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Darioratti
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Darioratti wrote:
Ok thanks so far for your feedback.
It is difficult to decide though and unfortyunately I do not have thte possibility to try pout either of them beofre purchase....
Really frustrating!
I am tenpetd by the summicron though.
Any other thoughts or comments are really welcome. |
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Mal1905
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Mal1905 wrote:
I'm interested in this thread and the comments and opinions - I've already got an R to EF adapter, and am now awaiting delivery of my first ever Leica lens: a Summicron-R 2/50 
Personally, I'd been putting off buying Leica mount lenses as I thought they were way too expensive. But, looking at Orio's images over the past while taken with this lens, I realised I just had to have one. So, I sold a lens to buy a lens...
I genuinely hope it lives up to my expectations when it does arrive - and hopefully it will be here in time to come to Spain with me for the Christmas holidays.
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Darioratti
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Darioratti wrote:
Hello iunknown, I would be really interested and appreciate it if you do find the comparison of the two lenses.
Thanks in advance |
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Mal1905
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Mal1905 wrote:
Well, it arrived at 07:30 this morning, and is rock-solid in its adapter - two very quick test images I took on my way to work. I might just like this lens 
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arstone wrote:
Congrats for your new lens .... someday I will pursuit this beautiful lens too
cheers ..
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metallaro1980 wrote:
one my opinion
I saw some photos taken with summicron-r 2/50 and I found this:
It is flat and dull... I don't know its version maybe the first.
is the 2-3 version flat and dull ?
400 € (I am not a poor man) for a 2/50 lens is too expensive...is a bit over-quoted 
http://cgi.ebay.it/Leica-Summicron-R-50mm-1-2-E55-ROM-/380316744058?pt=DE_Elektronik_Computer_Foto_Camcorder_Objektive_PM&hash=item588ca4f97a#ht_2682wt_1139
http://cgi.ebay.it/Leica-Summicron-R-50mm-f-2-0-Lens-/320653744705?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item4aa873da41#ht_500wt_1156
http://cgi.ebay.it/Leica-R-1-2-50-mm-SUMMICRON-R-E55-ROM-l-11345-/230589274815?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item35b0311abf#ht_3503wt_1139
rom???
the new Planar 1.4/50 ZE has rom and costs 600€
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AhamB wrote:
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| 400 € (I am not a poor man) for a 2/50 lens is too expensive...is a bit over-quoted |
It's a Leica, so why are you acting surprised. (There are no cheap ones.)
Regarding the flatness/dullness: almost all Leica lenses have a gentler microcontrast and less also vignetting and field curvature than equivalent Zeiss lenses. These aspects give Zeiss lenses a lot of pop/plasticity/3D effect. Leica is often said to have a more painterly character (paintings usually do not give a strong impression of depth and life-like detailed textures).
Edit: I should add that the flatness/dullness is only apparent when you do a direct comparison with something like a Zeiss 50/1.4. I've seen enough images of the Summicron that show that it has plenty of "pop" in it's own right.
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Rolf wrote:
Used price in the German Used price list around 190 € for the last version. Up to 250 € for a mint copy I believe would be ok, all other prices are too high.
This is not a rare lens - it was like a "kit" lens for R4 to R7.
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Mal1905
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Mal1905 wrote:
I can now say, after some months of owning this lens, that it is not flat and dull. In fact, it pops considerably more than some of my faster, more-expensive 50-somethings.
I agree that €400.00 is way too much for the Summicron though - I missed out on a Summilux that went for €380.00 over the weekend, and am still kicking myself for sleeping through my *Bay alarm
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one my opinion
I saw some photos taken with summicron-r 2/50 and I found this:
It is flat and dull... I don't know its version maybe the first.
is the 2-3 version flat and dull ?
400 € (I am not a poor man) for a 2/50 lens is too expensive...is a bit over-quoted |
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I can now say, after some months of owning this lens, that it is not flat and dull. In fact, it pops considerably more than some of my faster, more-expensive 50-somethings.
I agree that €400.00 is way too much for the Summicron though - I missed out on a Summilux that went for €380.00 over the weekend, and am still kicking myself for sleeping through my *Bay alarm |
I too have this lens (Summicron-R 50mm f/2). I bought one of the later versions. I also don't see where I should find the flat/dullness of this lens 
I really like this lens for what the results it gives, be it Leica or not... It's small, unobtrusive and behaves decently from wide open.
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Ugh... that happened to me a couple of times too. I'd recommend to use a sniping website such as esnipe.com. That one has worked well for me, easy to use. You only need to be able to make up your mind about your maximum bid. |
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metallaro1980 wrote:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/824804/0
here... and i find the summicron-r more dull...flat than Planar 1.4/50
the white-black flowers...the black is - black in the summicron-r
(bokeh test #3)
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Is the Summicron R the same optical formula as the M model?
Im asking because if I get a M8 id like a cron 50/2 for it, and these R shots are fantastic
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metallaro1980 wrote:
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| 400 € (I am not a poor man) for a 2/50 lens is too expensive...is a bit over-quoted |
It's a Leica, so why are you acting surprised. (There are no cheap ones.)
Regarding the flatness/dullness: almost all Leica lenses have a gentler microcontrast and less also vignetting and field curvature than equivalent Zeiss lenses. These aspects give Zeiss lenses a lot of pop/plasticity/3D effect. Leica is often said to have a more painterly character (paintings usually do not give a strong impression of depth and life-like detailed textures).
Edit: I should add that the flatness/dullness is only apparent when you do a direct comparison with something like a Zeiss 50/1.4. I've seen enough images of the Summicron that show that it has plenty of "pop" in it's own right. |
for me a lens as this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/33530174@N05/5476561860/sizes/o/in/photostream/
should cost more than summicron.... maybe of course there are more Contax lenses than Leica lenses available on the market..and for this, cost less...
as russian lenses.
leica is famous for the rangefinder...
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That is quite a sample, that you are presenting! |
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AhamB
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AhamB wrote:
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http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/824804/0
here... and i find the summicron-r more dull...flat than Planar 1.4/50
the white-black flowers...the black is - black in the summicron-r
(bokeh test #3) |
I know that test and I agree. It still doesn't mean that the Summicron is a dull/flat lens as a whole and that it can't make images with a lot of pop. In it own right it's a very good lens but in direct comparison with a Zeiss the lower microcontrast will be evident.
Nice sample btw. I will probably also get a ZE 50/1.4. |
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Lichtstrom wrote:
I have 2 Summicrons 50/2, an older one (*1965) and a younger one (*1987).
I compared the older one a while ago on the Canon EOS 5D at f2 with the Planar 50/1.4 C/Y MM, the Zuiko 55/1.2, the Nikkor 50/1.2 AI-S (not AI like written in the picture) at close distance. The Summicron won by far. In real life it's an extremely reliable lens with an outstanding allround performance.
http://u1.ipernity.com/16/54/66/8695466.33fb3789.1024.jpg
Regards
Lichtstrom |
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