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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
cooltouch wrote:
Excalibur wrote:
cooltouch wrote:


The reason for all the alphabet soup after the aperture number on the other Nikon lenses is a result of Nikon's sticking to a single lens mount since 1959 and slowly evolving their lenses away from mechanical to electronic interfaces.


Ah just the man I'm looking for, for a quickie ..will a Nikon AF D lens work on an old film Nikon AF camera i.e. F-401?


Well, I wouldn't call myself an expert, but I just happen to own a Nikon 80-300 AF-D lens. Just looking at it, I don't see why it wouldn't work. D lenses still have an aperture ring. My lens has a standard AI-s mount with the aperture lever, plus an additional 5 electrical contacts located inside the mount perimeter. It also has the little "wheel" used to engage the camera's AF motor. Looking at my notes I see that the F-401 (N4004) should autofocus with this type of lens. They also state that the F-401 (N4004) will provide focusing confirmation with manual focus lenses that have a maximum aperture of at least f/5.6.


Thanks


PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hifisapi wrote:
while I don't have a pic handy, I own the tamron 180mm F2.5 SP LD IF lens and its the sharpest telephoto
I have ever owned. They sell for around $600-700 on ebay and they are worth it in my honest opinion.


I've heard the Tamron 180's focal length changes when focusing; for portraits it becomes almost a 150mm ... (but I already have a decent 135mm ...)

Grabbed a Nikkor on eBay already, let's see how this goes. Smile Thanks all. I might do a side-by-side test against CZJ 200 when I get a chance.

Still curious to hear more about the Mamiya 200/2.8 APO if anyone has any experience with it though XD (Flickr streams of this lens seem phenomenal, someone even used it with doubly-stacked teleconverters and still sharp, but it seems a rare lens now, only cheap copy on ebay has fungus...)


PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Excalibur wrote:
cooltouch wrote:


The reason for all the alphabet soup after the aperture number on the other Nikon lenses is a result of Nikon's sticking to a single lens mount since 1959 and slowly evolving their lenses away from mechanical to electronic interfaces.


Ah just the man I'm looking for, for a quickie ..will a Nikon AF D lens work on an old film Nikon AF camera i.e. F-401?


Yes.

There are two types of Nikon AF lens, AF which uses a screw drive from the motor in the body and AF-S where the motor is in the lens. Both will work with film AF Nikons.

You should look at Nikon's site, they cover all this in detail.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
wuxiekeji wrote:

I've heard the Tamron 180's focal length changes when focusing; for portraits it becomes almost a 150mm ... (but I already have a decent 135mm ...)


I don't believe this is true for the Tamron 180, even though it might be true for some internal focusing macro lenses. Some IF macros do tend to change focal length as they are focused down to 1:1, for example, but the user doesn't notice this because they're just zeroing in on that all-important 1:1 objective.

I've owned a few IF lenses -- most of them being Canons -- and I don't recall this ever being evident with any of mine.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Excalibur wrote:
cooltouch wrote:


The reason for all the alphabet soup after the aperture number on the other Nikon lenses is a result of Nikon's sticking to a single lens mount since 1959 and slowly evolving their lenses away from mechanical to electronic interfaces.


Ah just the man I'm looking for, for a quickie ..will a Nikon AF D lens work on an old film Nikon AF camera i.e. F-401?


Yes.

There are two types of Nikon AF lens, AF which uses a screw drive from the motor in the body and AF-S where the motor is in the lens. Both will work with film AF Nikons.

You should look at Nikon's site, they cover all this in detail.


Took a look at Nikon's site and looked and looked, but couldn't find anything. But according the this page at B&H's, the F-401 won't AF with an AF-S lens because it doesn't have the in-camera circuitry to handle the lenses with focusing motors.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/Product_Resources/bodylens.jsp


PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Excalibur wrote:
cooltouch wrote:


The reason for all the alphabet soup after the aperture number on the other Nikon lenses is a result of Nikon's sticking to a single lens mount since 1959 and slowly evolving their lenses away from mechanical to electronic interfaces.


Ah just the man I'm looking for, for a quickie ..will a Nikon AF D lens work on an old film Nikon AF camera i.e. F-401?


Yes.

There are two types of Nikon AF lens, AF which uses a screw drive from the motor in the body and AF-S where the motor is in the lens. Both will work with film AF Nikons.

You should look at Nikon's site, they cover all this in detail.


Thanks....like you I am looking for a bang for buck AF zoom lens for my F-401 in the range below 80mm.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
bernhardas wrote:
In another forum was a long thread with the title "Ken Rockwell Genius or Fool?".

Personally I am honestly still undecided. Maybe there is no clear line.


Foolish genius. He does have some good advice and has a lot of things about practicality spot on for beginners in the field. But he also makes assumptions about your purpose and if you don't fit those (unstated) assumptions his advice suddenly becomes horribly wrong.


PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A bit of Sonnar 200mm @F2.8:


PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Looks to me sharp enough Smile


PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It looks to me sharp enough Smile


PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
It looks to me sharp enough Smile


Would be interested to see 100% crops to know if my Sonnar is defective or if is the same ... mine is sharp at web resolution too, but not much more than that, not usable for print and for viewing on retina display ...


PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I had both lenses, a pre-ai Nikkor 180/2.8 and the Elmarit 180 second version.
The Nikkor is a beautiful lens (basically it's a copy of the 2.8/180 Zeiss Sonnar), but my Elmarit second version was visibly sharper and with more neutral colours.
I sold the Nikkor quite fast, because I already had two 180 Sonnars.
Then I sold the Elmarit too, when I got the Apo-Telyt 3.4/180


PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
I had both lenses, a pre-ai Nikkor 180/2.8 and the Elmarit 180 second version.
The Nikkor is a beautiful lens (basically it's a copy of the 2.8/180 Zeiss Sonnar), but my Elmarit second version was visibly sharper and with more neutral colours.
I sold the Nikkor quite fast, because I already had two 180 Sonnars.
Then I sold the Elmarit too, when I got the Apo-Telyt 3.4/180


If you had pre-ai that's consistent with what I've been reading elsewhere. But I remember reading on some thread that Nikkor ED is much sharper than pre-ai and also has much better (although not perfect) CA control than Sonnar and non-APO Leicas. My Jena 200/2.8 has terrible amounts of CA.

For sharpness Nikkor ED vs. non-APO Elmarit 2.8 second version I have yet to see a definitive test.

Gave the Apo-Telyt 3.4 a thought but the MFD isn't great and bokeh isn't the most pleasing from what I've seen.


PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
wuxiekeji wrote:
Attila wrote:
It looks to me sharp enough Smile


Would be interested to see 100% crops to know if my Sonnar is defective or if is the same ... mine is sharp at web resolution too, but not much more than that, not usable for print and for viewing on retina display ...


I posted some samples here. I am quite sure all were made wide-open, since this is how i do all lens testing Smile
http://forum.mflenses.com/czj-sonnar-m42-2-8-200mm-nex-c3-bw-2000px-on-2x-click-t61888.html

See reflection of a building in the carlight (2x click for 2000px):


PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Although not 2.8, the soligor 180 3.5 is plenty sharp even wide open and has interchangeable mounts


PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nikon pre ai, ai-s, ED, or any of them, they can not be comparison with leica apo- telyt 3,4/180. It only admit comparison with other apo lenses. Not good bokeh? It's a subjective quid. Is it free of CA? It's an objective one. Not so good mfd? Well, an image taken with it shows a really first class IQ.


PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nikkor 80-200/2.8 AF-D (no tripod mount) and it's successor (with tripod collar) are very good performers at 200/2.8.Manual focusing is convenient due to a very large grip.At wider fl (80mm,135mm) stopping down (f4-5,6) may be required to get the image free from LoCA/CA,but at 200mm it really shines.It was very good lens in the film times and now does very well on FF D600 and crop D7000.

I currently test the 80-200/2.8 with no tripod mount and consider keeping it for good as it's only 350Euro for such a good,solid piece of glass.
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