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Kram
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1344 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:20 pm Post subject: Schneider-Kreuznach Xenar 50/2.8 |
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Kram wrote:
Just got this lens. These are tests shot on the walk home from the post office.
All shot wide open, no lens shade, minimal PP.
Shot on a Canon 60D.
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16627 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Kreuznach is a city in Germany where company Schendier was founded
Great shots! The Xenar is a wonderful lens design, I use my 105mm a lot. _________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
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http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
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Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Same design as the Tessar, right?
It certainly renders a lot like my CZJ Tessar 2.8/50, same bokeh. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16627 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
A Tessar same as a Xenar?
_________________ Klaus - Admin
"S'il vient a point, me souviendra" [Thomas Bohier (1460-1523)]
http://www.macrolenses.de for macro and special lens info
http://www.pbase.com/kds315/uv_photos for UV Images and lens/filter info
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kds315/albums my albums using various lenses
http://photographyoftheinvisibleworld.blogspot.com/ my UV BLOG
http://www.travelmeetsfood.com/blog Food + Travel BLOG
https://galeriafotografia.com Architecture + Drone photography
Currently most FAV lens(es):
X80QF f3.2/80mm
Hypergon f11/26mm
ELCAN UV f5.6/52mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f4/60mm
Zeiss UV-Planar f2/62mm
Lomo Уфар-12 f2.5/41mm
Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
Carl Zeiss Jena UV-Objektiv f4/60mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha II f1.1/90mm
NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
COASTAL OPTICS f4/60mm UV-VIS-IR Apo
COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f4.5/85mm
Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
Rodenstock UV-Rodagon f5.6/60mm + 105mm + 150mm
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
I thought the Xenar was a 4-element Tessar type and the Xenon a 6-element double-gauss type, easy misunderstanding to make given the naming with the 'ar' ending.
It does render a lot like my CZJ Tessar though. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5078 Location: France
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
So you got one, Mark !
Congrats !
Isn't it a great lens ? This lens made my eyes open wide when I saw the results for the first time.
Here is this edixa xenar :
http://forum.mflenses.com/schneider-kreuznach-edixa-xenar-2-8-50-t40152,highlight,%2Bedixa+%2Bxenar.html
some "macro" samples :
http://forum.mflenses.com/schneider-kreuznach-edixa-xenar-50mm-f2-8-macro-samples-t41629,highlight,%2Bedixa+%2Bxenar.html
and with its camera, an edixa mat reflex d
http://forum.mflenses.com/edixa-mat-reflex-d-t39979,highlight,%2Bedixa+%2Bmat.html
Sure you'll enjoy it a lot and make it shine, Mark. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Xenar bokeh, so unique.
I love your first shot! _________________ Orio, Administrator
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3438 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
According to Schneider about their Xenar: "Designed as four-element, three-component systems, ..."
http://www.schneideroptics.com/info/vintage_lens_data/large_format_lenses/xenar/
AFAIK only a limited (period) lenses with the Xenar name are 5-elements, built like the one in the pictures kds315* shows.
So probably the lens Kram shows the excellent results of is a Tessar-like indeed. |
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Kram
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1344 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
Thanks guys. Klaus tell me more about the 105mm! 2.8? What mount? Is it rare and spendy?
Just shot with it for a few hours and lemme tell yas- this lens is the shizznit!
I'll post some goodies over the weekend but not only is it the sharpest lens I own wide open, but the color rendering is superb and the bokeh dreamy. It's my new favorite.
Today I shot more images wide open than I have in my 30 year career!
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Kram
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1344 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
Here's one from today. I am in love!
OK, OK one more!
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Minolfan
Joined: 30 Dec 2008 Posts: 3438 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Minolfan wrote:
I understand your enthousiasm, colours and the bokeh are nice. |
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martinsmith99
Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6950 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:09 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
The bokeh on the early series look great, but the last couple look like my cheap Canon 50/1.8. _________________ Casual attendance these days |
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Pancolart
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 3702 Location: Slovenia, EU
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Pancolart wrote:
You really made me try my Xenar 2.8/7.5cm on very old folding Lisette. Anyone tested it already?
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woodrim
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Posts: 4060 Location: Charleston
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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woodrim wrote:
We see loads of 50mm lenses presented in this forum. I always want to know what any particular lens offers over another, so what is it about this lens that sets it apart from other (more common) 2.8/50mm lenses? _________________ Regards,
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5078 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Hi Woodrim.
What really surpised me was the coulours rendering and above all the sharpness of this lens.
I never had so detailed pictures before with other 50mm lenses.
These photos especially :
cropped 100%
cropped 100%
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
It is really sharp to my eyes, my CZJ Tessar 2.8/50 is also sharp but not to the same level as this Xenar.
_________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Kram
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1344 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
Olivier, thanks for the great samples and links. You clearly show the strengths of this lens.
For me what sets it really apart is the sharpness wide open, the impressionistic bokeh and the superb color rendering. |
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5078 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
Thank you Mark.
I hope it answers to Woodrim's question. _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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Kram
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1344 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
Do any of you know what size hood this lens takes? Seems close to 49mm but my Pentax hood will not fit. |
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adent
Joined: 06 Oct 2011 Posts: 304 Location: United States
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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adent wrote:
Great now there is another one I want but probably can't afford...... |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
If it's not a 49mm hood then it will probably be 52mm, surprised it's not 49mm, most 50mm lenses are. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
adent wrote: |
Great now there is another one I want but probably can't afford...... |
Can be found for not that much with a bit of searching, not that uncommon. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Kram
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 1344 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Kram wrote:
OK, after taking a closer look it seems like it is 49mm but the Pentax shade will not screw on. Different thread apparently.
The glass is quite recessed and it does pretty well with flare but I would love to have a hood to optimize it. Any suggestions? |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15679
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
The pitch should be 0.75mm I think, all the 49mm hoods/filters I have fit all my 49mm thread lenses, I reckon the filter thread ring must be ever so slightly damaged hence it won't screw on. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Olivier
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Posts: 5078 Location: France
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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Olivier wrote:
adent wrote: |
Great now there is another one I want but probably can't afford...... |
Hi Adent.
Make a search for an Edixa Mat Reflex and you will have the pleasure to find very good bargains.
Very often, standard lenses sold with this camera body are Schneider Kreuznach 2.8/50.
Here is one with a Schneider Kreuznach Xenar :
http://www.leboncoin.fr/image_son/165956717.htm?ca=17_s
It is asked to make an offer.
I just sent him a message asking wether it is still to sell.
Here there is an Edixa Mat Reflex with an Iscotar 2.8/50 for 20€.
Rino said that Isco can be of the time of the Schneider company, thus can have the very good yield of xenar 50/2,8.
I made an offer and wait for the answer...
On *bay, I found a nice set with a Xenon 1.9/50 and a Westromat 2.8/50 (kind of Xenar).
21h50mn to go and 29.70€ till now.
http://cgi.ebay.fr/EDIXA-REFLEX-D-Kamera-Zubehor-Gebrauchsanweisung-1959-Mertraphot-3-Gbwg-/310351667605?pt=DE_Alte_Kameras&hash=item484266a195
and here is a nice price for a Xenar 2.8/50 :
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Schneider-Edixa-Xenar-2-8-50-fur-M-42-Kameras-/220864823716?pt=DE_Foto_Camcorder_Objektive&hash=item336c91c1a4 _________________ Olivier - Moderator
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