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Morfeus

Joined: 01 Nov 2010
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:21 am Post subject:

Morfeus wrote:

couchpotato wrote:

dude163 wrote:

I have a Zeiss Planar 1.7, is the Rollei optically the same?

or should I just stick with my 1.7?

Just got my Voigtlander Color-Ultron version last week. This lens is sharp at f1.8 as the Contax C/Y at f2.8.

Would you mind in posting some sample images, couchpotato?

AhamB

Joined: 22 Jun 2008
Posts: 733
Location: Germany

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:18 am Post subject:

AhamB wrote:

couchpotato wrote:

Just got my Voigtlander Color-Ultron version last week. This lens is sharp at f1.8 as the Contax C/Y at f2.8.

Pics or it didn't happen. Wink

By the way: does anyone if this older model made in Germany is also HFT coated?
I can get one for a reasonable price, but (maybe due to the bad picture) I don't see the characteristic colors of the coating that I see on all the newer Rollei's (and Voigtländers) made in Singapore.

couchpotato

Joined: 10 Sep 2010
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:58 am Post subject:

couchpotato wrote:

Morfeus wrote:

couchpotato wrote:

dude163 wrote:

I have a Zeiss Planar 1.7, is the Rollei optically the same?

or should I just stick with my 1.7?

Just got my Voigtlander Color-Ultron version last week. This lens is sharp at f1.8 as the Contax C/Y at f2.8.

Would you mind in posting some sample images, couchpotato?

Will post some pictures later today.

couchpotato

Joined: 10 Sep 2010
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:10 am Post subject:

couchpotato wrote:

AhamB wrote:

couchpotato wrote:

Just got my Voigtlander Color-Ultron version last week. This lens is sharp at f1.8 as the Contax C/Y at f2.8.

Pics or it didn't happen. Wink

I have a similar question. I see one with the marking, "Carl Zeiss, Planar 1.8/50, 5188xxx" without T* or HFT. And the reflection of the coating looks a bit yellow/white. But it is hard to tell from the picture.

Keysersoze27

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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject:

Keysersoze27 wrote:

AhamB wrote:

couchpotato wrote:

Just got my Voigtlander Color-Ultron version last week. This lens is sharp at f1.8 as the Contax C/Y at f2.8.

Pics or it didn't happen. Wink

They use a dual-coating layer made by Zeiss . They are supposed to be a little sharper than the HFT ones Wink

Quote:

From sl66.com

Keep in mind that the original Zeiss lenses with dual coating already were extremely good protected against flare, and according to some connoisseurs, the HFT coated lenses are believed to draw a little bit softer image.

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Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii

28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtlï¿½nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964)

AhamB

Joined: 22 Jun 2008
Posts: 733
Location: Germany

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject:

AhamB wrote:

Keysersoze27 wrote:

They use a dual-coating layer made by Zeiss . They are supposed to be a little sharper than the HFT ones Wink

From sl66.com

It does say "Made by Rollei" on the front of the lens in the gallery that I linked to, so according to sl66.com it should be HFT:

Quote:

The German production of Made by Rollei lenses, and those made in Singapore, were all HFT lenses.

Maybe it's just the lighting, but the coating look more like the older dual coatings:

Quote:

as opposed to single or dual coated Zeiss lenses which have a golden and blue glow.

propellor

Joined: 29 Apr 2010
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:05 pm Post subject:

propellor wrote: I understand that this lens hits the 5d MKII's mirror when it approaches infinity. Is it possible to modify this lens so it doesn't? Can anyone post a pic of the backside ? Thanks, Bart.

Keysersoze27

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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:06 pm Post subject:

Keysersoze27 wrote:

propellor wrote:

I understand that this lens hits the 5d MKII's mirror when it approaches infinity.
Is it possible to modify this lens so it doesn't? Can anyone post a pic of the backside ?

Thanks, Bart.

Bart,

Some modification that I also consider is possible :

propellor

Joined: 29 Apr 2010
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Location: Amsterdam

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:52 pm Post subject:

propellor wrote: Thanks Keyser. It looks like there is more then enough room to modify this lens.

Xpres

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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:44 am Post subject:

Xpres wrote:

Keysersoze27 wrote:

propellor wrote:

I understand that this lens hits the 5d MKII's mirror when it approaches infinity.
Is it possible to modify this lens so it doesn't? Can anyone post a pic of the backside ?

Thanks, Bart.

Bart,

Some modification that I also consider is possible :

So is this the M42 version, or has it already been modified?
As far as I can tell from my QBM west german made by Rollei version (not HFT by the way) it will still hit the mirror on a 5D2 however you convert it if you want to retain infinity. At least that's the problem I've had - the rear element hits the mirror on my 5D at infinity.
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Keysersoze27

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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:48 pm Post subject:

Keysersoze27 wrote:

Xpres wrote:

It is the third pic of a modified 1.8/50 with a cut rear back that I seen in the internet :

(ignore the circle, the pic is not mine, M42 model again during a CLA session).

Mine is also QBM old version. Don't know if they solved the problem but I see a trend...
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Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii

28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ
35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35
40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q
50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P
55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC
58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58
85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ
90mm: Voigtlï¿½nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2
100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105
135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar
Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964)

Keysersoze27

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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:00 pm Post subject:

Keysersoze27 wrote: Here a Rollei 1.4/50 QBM with a filled back having problems with 5D(not mkII) mirror : _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii 28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ 35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35 40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q 50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P 55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC 58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58 85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ 90mm: Voigtlï¿½nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2 100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105 135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964)

Xpres

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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:22 pm Post subject:

Xpres wrote: Looks like this can't be solved for the 5D2 (without mirror shaving) which is a shame. I have a similar problem with a Schneider Xenar, except that hits the mirror every time. _________________ Film... and sometimes SD14, 5D2 and some other suff!

Kram

Joined: 06 Feb 2010
Posts: 1344
Location: Portland, OR

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:17 pm Post subject:

Kram wrote: This thread (thanks Orio!) is what lead me to buying my first 35mm Planar lens. 50/1.8 HFT Planar (Singapore) at 2.8.

Keysersoze27

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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject:

Keysersoze27 wrote: Superb colours, Mark !!! _________________ Canon EOS 5D MkII , EOS 50E, Contax RTS, Olympus OM2n, Nikon Z6ii 28mm: Zeiss Distagon 2.8/28 MMJ 35mm: CZ Distagon 2/35 ZE , S-M-C Takumar 3.5/35 40mm: CZJ Tessar T 4.5/40 1Q 50mm: CZ Planar 1.4/50 MMJ,CZ Planar 1.7/50 AEJ+MMJ,Leica Summicron 2/50 v3,S-M-C Takumar 1.4/50,Pentax SMC 1.4/50 K,Pentax SMC 1.8/55 K,Nikkor 1.8/50 ,CZJ Tessar T 3.5/50 1Q , CZ Planar 1.8/50 (QBM),Zuiko 1.4/50, Zuiko 1.8/50, Icarex Tessar 2.8/50, Nikkor 2/50 Ai,Schneider Kreuznach Xenar 2.8/50 Preset, Pentacon Prakticar 2.4/50 MC v1, CZJ Pancolar 1.8/50 Zebra , Rikenon 1.4/50 P 55mm: Fujinon 1.8/55 EBC 58mm: Helios MC 44-3 2/58 85mm: Zeiss Sonnar 2.8/85 AEJ 90mm: Voigtlï¿½nder APO-Lanthar 3.5/90 SLII , Leica Elmarit-R 2.8/90 v2 100~105mm:Zeiss Sonnar 3.5/100 MM, Nikkor 2.5/105 AiS, S-M-C Takumar 2.8/105 135mm: Leica Elmarit R 2.8/135 v2, S-M-C Takumar 3.5/135, CZJ 4/135 Sonnar Exakta leatherette (1963),CZJ 4/135 Triotar Macro:Leica Macro-Elmarit R 2.8/60, Micro-Nikkor Auto 3.5/55 Compensating type (1964)

propellor

Joined: 29 Apr 2010
Posts: 205
Location: Amsterdam

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject:

propellor wrote: Hmmmmm, so he only solution would be to shave the mirror and file the lens. I have think about that. Thanks guys, Bart.

BRunner

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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject:

BRunner wrote:

Kram wrote:

50/1.8 HFT Planar (Singapore) at 2.8.

Congratulation, you've got one of the best 50mm lens ever made.
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AhamB

Joined: 22 Jun 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:53 pm Post subject:

AhamB wrote:

propellor wrote:

Hmmmmm, so he only solution would be to shave the mirror and file the lens.
I have think about that.

Thanks guys,
Bart.

Not necessarily. It varies for each sample of the 5D and perhaps also different samples of the lens.

See here: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/933139/0#8851436
In the fourth picture you can see that he did not shave his 5D. Picture 3 shows that it's an actual 5D. Wink

Kram

Joined: 06 Feb 2010
Posts: 1344
Location: Portland, OR

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:00 am Post subject:

Kram wrote:

Keysersoze27 wrote:

Superb colours, Mark !!!

Thanks!

@Brunner, good to hear! As soon as the weather gives me half a chance, I'll post some serious sample images.

propellor

Joined: 29 Apr 2010
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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:25 am Post subject:

propellor wrote:

AhamB wrote:

propellor wrote:

Hmmmmm, so he only solution would be to shave the mirror and file the lens.
I have think about that.

Thanks guys,
Bart.

That looks easy to do (I love my Dremel). I'll buy it and see what happens. Thanks.

piljke

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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:10 pm Post subject:

piljke wrote: kb

DSG

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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:24 pm Post subject:

DSG wrote:

BRunner wrote:

Kram wrote:

50/1.8 HFT Planar (Singapore) at 2.8.

Congratulation, you've got one of the best 50mm lens ever made.

No he has'nt. There is nothing special about the 50/1.8 HFT Planar.

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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject:

Excalibur wrote:

DSG wrote:

BRunner wrote:

Kram wrote:

50/1.8 HFT Planar (Singapore) at 2.8.

Congratulation, you've got one of the best 50mm lens ever made.

No he has'nt. There is nothing special about the 50/1.8 HFT Planar.

Compared to a Domiplan it is Laughing

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Kram

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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject:

Kram wrote:

DSG wrote:

BRunner wrote:

Kram wrote:

50/1.8 HFT Planar (Singapore) at 2.8.

Congratulation, you've got one of the best 50mm lens ever made.

No he has'nt. There is nothing special about the 50/1.8 HFT Planar.

Maybe not, but the eyeball I plan to put behind it totally is.
Wink

calvin83

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Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:04 pm Post subject:

calvin83 wrote:

Excalibur wrote:

DSG wrote:

BRunner wrote:

Kram wrote:

50/1.8 HFT Planar (Singapore) at 2.8.

Congratulation, you've got one of the best 50mm lens ever made.

No he has'nt. There is nothing special about the 50/1.8 HFT Planar.

Compared to a Domiplan it is Laughing

Domiplan is the worst 50mm mf lens I ever tried. Wink

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