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estudleon

Joined: 15 May 2008
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject:

estudleon wrote: Yes, for export, sure. Rino _________________ Konica 2,8/100 CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50 Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50 Helios 44-3 Mamiya 2,8/135 Misc. : jupiter 9 Stuff used: A) SRL Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100. Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50 Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115 Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35 Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200 Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135 Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135 Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135. Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses. Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs. Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35 Canon AV1, 1,8/50 Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap. Etc. RF Yashica Minister III Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc. Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar.

Attila

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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject:

Attila wrote: I think east German quality control was same than Russian means nothing... With mark or without mark you can find either excellent and average lenses. _________________ ------------------------------- Items on sale on Ebay Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8

PaulC

Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Posts: 2318

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject:

PaulC wrote: My Meyer Trioplan has got a 1 in a triangle, Aus Jena Sonnar 135 zebra has 1Q, so does my Tessar 80/2.8 for the Pentacon. _________________ View or buy my photos at: http://shutterstock.com/g/paulcowan

no-X

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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject:

no-X wrote: So... 1Δ for export and 1Q for home market? _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses

estudleon

Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3754
Location: Argentina

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject:

estudleon wrote: No. 1Q for export. Quality (optical? mechanical? both?) Above over international parameters. 1Δ For export. Quality equal to international parameters. 1V for home market. In this way I read the article. Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100 CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50 Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50 Helios 44-3 Mamiya 2,8/135 Misc. : jupiter 9 Stuff used: A) SRL Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100. Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50 Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115 Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35 Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200 Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135 Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135 Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135. Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses. Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs. Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35 Canon AV1, 1,8/50 Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap. Etc. RF Yashica Minister III Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc. Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar.

spiralcity

Joined: 02 Oct 2008
Posts: 1207
Location: Chicago, U.S.A

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject:

spiralcity wrote:

no-X wrote:

So... 1Δ for export and 1Q for home market?

According to my Zeiss Compendium book the 1Q (primarqualitat) mark was given to the lenses of the highest quality to be sold on the western market. Items whose quality was a slightly lesser grade was given a 1 or 2 within a triangle.
The quality control was administered by the Office of Material and Product Testing of the German Democratic Republic. The testing started in the mid - 1950's and continued for more than two decades.

Reference taken from:

Zeiss Compendium East and West - 1940 - 1972 by Chrles M. Barringer and James Small.

Last edited by spiralcity on Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:41 pm; edited 1 time in total

estudleon

Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3754
Location: Argentina

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:39 pm Post subject:

estudleon wrote:

spiralcity wrote:

no-X wrote:

So... 1Δ for export and 1Q for home market?

According to my Zeiss Compendium book the 1Q (primarqualitat) mark was given to the lenses of the highest quality to be sold on the western market. Items whose quality was a slightly lesser grade was given a 1 or 2 within a triangle.

Reference taken from:

Zeiss Compendium East and West - 1940 - 1972 by Chrles M. Barringer and James Small.

Thanks.

that marks were used from? untill? You know?

Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9

Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.

RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar.

spiralcity

Joined: 02 Oct 2008
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Location: Chicago, U.S.A

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject:

spiralcity wrote:

estudleon wrote:

spiralcity wrote:

no-X wrote:

So... 1Δ for export and 1Q for home market?

According to my Zeiss Compendium book the 1Q (primarqualitat) mark was given to the lenses of the highest quality to be sold on the western market. Items whose quality was a slightly lesser grade was given a 1 or 2 within a triangle.

Reference taken from:

Zeiss Compendium East and West - 1940 - 1972 by Chrles M. Barringer and James Small.

Thanks.

that marks were used from? untill? You know?

Rino.

I added a bit more info to my original post. the testing started in the mid 1950's and ran for more than two decades.
According to the authors the Praktica MTL-3 from 1978 still bears the 1Q mark but the mark was phased out shortly thereafter but the same quality testing continued until the reunification of the two Germanies in 1989.

PaulC

Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Posts: 2318

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject:

PaulC wrote: My Tessar is serial number 4.4million, which would put its manufacture date around the summer of '56. So the system was definitely operating then. Anyone got an earlier datable lens with the marking? _________________ View or buy my photos at: http://shutterstock.com/g/paulcowan

no-X

Joined: 19 Jul 2008
Posts: 2495
Location: Budejky, Czech Republic

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject:

no-X wrote: My oldest 1Q lens is CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5: 3834027 I don't know, if the Telefogar is older or newer: 1835958 _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses

estudleon

Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3754
Location: Argentina

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:11 pm Post subject:

estudleon wrote:

no-X wrote:

My oldest 1Q lens is CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5: 3834027

I don't know, if the Telefogar is older or newer: 1835958

Captain Jacks show

http://captjack.exaktaphile.com/Meyer%20page.htm

It has the 1Q as yours, but this is older

http://home.arcor.de/cpqrst3/lenses.html

But I can't find the year.

Rino.
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Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9

Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.

RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar.

spiralcity

Joined: 02 Oct 2008
Posts: 1207
Location: Chicago, U.S.A

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject:

spiralcity wrote:

no-X wrote:

My oldest 1Q lens is CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5: 3834027

I don't know, if the Telefogar is older or newer: 1835958

My Biotar is a 359 serial #, my Tessar 50mm 2.8 is a 532 serial #, and my Triotar is 518 serial #.

All marked 1Q.

Serial number and dates? Anyone have a list?

PaulC

Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Posts: 2318

Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject:

PaulC wrote:

spiralcity wrote:

no-X wrote:

My oldest 1Q lens is CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5: 3834027

I don't know, if the Telefogar is older or newer: 1835958

My Biotar is a 359 serial #, my Tessar 50mm 2.8 is a 532 serial #, and my Triotar is 518 serial #.

All marked 1Q.

Serial number and dates? Anyone have a list?

Errr, yes, it is up one level in this forum, and there is a handy graph. The 383xxxx lens appears to be early 54
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spiralcity

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:37 am Post subject:

spiralcity wrote:

PaulC wrote:

spiralcity wrote:

no-X wrote:

My oldest 1Q lens is CZJ Tessar T 40/4.5: 3834027

I don't know, if the Telefogar is older or newer: 1835958

My Biotar is a 359 serial #, my Tessar 50mm 2.8 is a 532 serial #, and my Triotar is 518 serial #.

All marked 1Q.

Serial number and dates? Anyone have a list?

Errr, yes, it is up one level in this forum, and there is a handy graph. The 383xxxx lens appears to be early 54

Imagine that. Shocked

I never bothered to look here... Razz

bawang

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Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Posts: 548
Location: Indiana, USA

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:50 am Post subject:

bawang wrote: The mark is also present on Meyer-Optik lens. Can the same interpretation to the 1Q logo be applied to them too? After posting the above pic and question, I noticed that the link Rino pasted show Meyer-Optik has the same logo too.

spiralcity

Joined: 02 Oct 2008
Posts: 1207
Location: Chicago, U.S.A

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:16 am Post subject:

spiralcity wrote:

bawang wrote:

The mark is also present on Meyer-Optik lens. Can the same interpretation to the 1Q logo be applied to them too?

After posting the above pic and question, I noticed that the link Rino pasted show Meyer-Optik has the same logo too. Embarassed

yes, it is one in the same.

Abbazz

Joined: 23 Jun 2007
Posts: 1098
Location: Jakarta

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:07 am Post subject:

Abbazz wrote:

CarbonR wrote:

Mine is like this :

Looks like your lens is infested by fungus.

Cheers!

Abbazz
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Orio

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:23 am Post subject:

Orio wrote: yes, fungus. _________________ Orio, Administrator T* NE CEDE MALIS AUDENTIOR ITO Ferrania film is reborn! http://www.filmferrania.it/ Support the Ornano film chemicals company and help them survive! http://forum.mflenses.com/ornano-chemical-products-t55525.html

dakoo

Joined: 08 Mar 2008
Posts: 603

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:28 pm Post subject:

dakoo wrote: yeah ! Not just fungus Q1 Fungus !!! pls keep it away from other lenses _________________ Yashica ML 2.4/24, ML 2.4./28, Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4, Planer 1.4/50, Planer 1.7/50, SMC Tak 1.4/50,Tessar 2.8/50, Jupiter2/85 CZJ 4/135; Pentacon 4/200 Canon Tns 24/3.5

estudleon

Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3754
Location: Argentina

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:37 pm Post subject:

estudleon wrote:

bawang wrote:

The mark is also present on Meyer-Optik lens. Can the same interpretation to the 1Q logo be applied to them too?

After posting the above pic and question, I noticed that the link Rino pasted show Meyer-Optik has the same logo too. Embarassed

Hi, Bawang.

It seems to me that your lens is something yellow; isn't it?

Rino.
_________________
Konica 2,8/100
CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9

Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.

RF
Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar.

CarbonR

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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject:

CarbonR wrote:

Orio wrote:

yes, fungus.

Yes, sadly Rolling Eyes

Seller didn't say that there were fungus in the lens, and I don't have time to disassemble it Rolling Eyes

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no-X

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Location: Budejky, Czech Republic

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject:

no-X wrote: another strange mark: empty triangle _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses

no-X

Joined: 19 Jul 2008
Posts: 2495
Location: Budejky, Czech Republic

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject:

no-X wrote: and one more symbol: sΔ _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses

estudleon

Joined: 15 May 2008
Posts: 3754
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject:

estudleon wrote: Well, No-X. Stop, please. Not post more symbols. Or you stop to show new symbols or also does it adding the meaning to the new symbol. I have not any more!!! Rino. _________________ Konica 2,8/100 CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50 Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50 Helios 44-3 Mamiya 2,8/135 Misc. : jupiter 9 Stuff used: A) SRL Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100. Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50 Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115 Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35 Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200 Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135 Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135 Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135. Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses. Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs. Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35 Canon AV1, 1,8/50 Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap. Etc. RF Yashica Minister III Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc. Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar.

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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject:

no-X wrote: The S in the quality mark means, that the quality is Sufficient _________________ (almost) complete list of Helios lenses

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