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GrahamNR17
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 Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: Polyester is NO good! |
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GrahamNR17 wrote:
I recently returned to using Adox CHS film (this is the stuff that was Efke, made in Croatia). I adore it. It is one of the last remaing proper high-silver content films.
I was really dismayed when I got my latest batch and discovered a label on the carton stating "NEW CLEAR POLYESTER BASE". I work as a lab technician in film coating technology, and I already know that Polyester is a nightmare for static electricity generation. Celluloid materials that film are usually made from is not a problem, as it has a high moisture content and the static can dissipate before it has a chance to build up. Polyester is an oil based film and has no moisture content at all. We have spent many thousands of pounds eliminating static build-up on our films in the factory.
So, just three films in to my new batch, and I have started getting static discharges in the film, and it is wrecking some frames.
This is a classic static discharge pattern. I fear that I have used my last Adox 
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Sevo
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Sevo wrote:
Polyester base is incredibly wide spread on large and medium format film, and has been for many years. I haven't had any issues with them, but then, these films are back-coated, while 135mm is blank and uses a felt-lipped cartridge - which both increase the risk of static discharges.
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Laurence wrote:
Wow, interesting that they didn't use SOME kind of substrate to isolate the polyester? They must not have tested their own film? 
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GrahamNR17 wrote:
That's true. It's the winding and unwinding that creates the problems  |
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Farside wrote:
Good grief, that totally wrecks a shot. I'm thinking of little anti-static brushes that rub against the film and connect to a grounding rod, running down the photographer's leg. 
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
| Farside wrote: |
| Good grief, that totally wrecks a shot. I'm thinking of little anti-static brushes that rub against the film and connect to a grounding rod, running down the photographer's leg. |
I guess that would be a sort of IS system for film shooters in a way 
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marty
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marty wrote:
Hi,
I can confirm the problem. In the past I made some Ilfochrome prints before it disappeared from the shelves of my usual seller.
This material has a polyester base and albeit I could not see any effect on the finished print I indeed saw some discharges while inserting the sheets in the developing drum.
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