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 Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: Pancolar 80mm f1.8 Vs Zeiss 85mm f1.4(Contax mount), choose? |
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KhanX wrote:
Hi all of my friends,
I have a question about lens for portrait.
Pancolar 80mm f1.8 Vs Zeiss 85mm f1.4(Contax mount)
What lens should I choose?
I have Zeiss 85mm f1.4 MM but I'd like to find the different character so I consider Pancolar 80mm f1.8.
Your advice is appreciated.
Thank you.
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
The character is really very much the same in my view.
Better to choose from a different design philosophy for a different signature.
Takumar, Leica, Zuiko etc..............
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Attila wrote:
As Andy say hard to find significant difference simple taste mater, take a Pancolar 80 and decide by your self. Both are superb lenses if you able to afford, keep both of them.
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koji wrote:
Planar 85/1.4ZF @f1.4 5D
Planar 85/1.4ZF @f2.8 5D
Pancolar 80/1.8 @f1.8 5D
Pancolar 80/1.8 @f2.8 5D
I have no idea how the girls look different in those lenses.
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no-X wrote:
I think Pancolar 80/1.8 is the best CZJ lens I have ever tried. But I have no experience with Planar, but they seems to be very close 
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I hope Khan will show us 
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koji wrote:
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| I have no idea how the girls look different in those lenses. |
I hope Khan will show us |
yes, yes, yes.
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| I hope Khan will show us |
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MF-addicted wrote:
3 days ago I got my Pancolar 1.8/80 with dented filterring, but optically o.k. for around 210 Euros from the bay.
I am overwhelmed by the quality and bokeh.
One of the best lenses I own.
Once more to blame KOJI for making me look after this lens when looking at his gallery.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Pancolar 80mm f1.8 Vs Zeiss 85mm f1.4(Contax mount), cho |
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aoleg wrote:
| KhanX wrote: |
| I have Zeiss 85mm f1.4 MM but I'd like to find the different character so I consider Pancolar 80mm f1.8. |
You already have one Planar, so why not get a 85mm Sonnar for a truly different character? The following lenses are inexpensive and employ the Sonnar formula: Jupiter 9 (85/2), Nikkor 85/1.8 and 85/2. Takumar 85/1.8 and 85/1.9 are also based on that formula, as far as I know. And, of course, the original Sonnar 85/2 and 85/2.8 (can be expensive).
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Attila wrote:
Khan will take Sonnar too as I know him 
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
The Sonnar 1.5/50 from Zeiss is much different signature.
Also Cannon and Nikon copies of the lens. These are all LTM lenses. You can use them with your Pany G1 or M8.
The look of the Bokeh is very much Sonnar 50. I don't see the same in the Opton Sonnar2/85 Bokeh.
Two others to look for are the Simlar 1.5/50 and Leica Summarit 1.5/50.
Both have a very special look. The Simlar is a bit soft open, the Summarit much sharper. Both have equal sharpness stoped to f2.
The Bokeh is similar to the Radial Bokeh of the Helios 40/40-2
Orio has some resent samples with the Opton sonnar search for those.
Here is a sample with the Simlar (Leotax) and Summarit.
Nothing special but you get the idea.
Summarit 1.5/50 open
Simlar 1.5/50 open (yes I posted before ) Look how the OOF leaves swirl around the subject
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koji wrote:
Not exactly same scene like Andy's, my Jupiter 3 does not behave
to show "swarling/radial" bokeh easily.
Except the first shot at F4, all others were at F1.5 (ie. wide open). I was expecting radial bokeh for this lens, but no avail, probably CZ's
Sonnar 1.5/50 ZM lens may behave the same way. This is a reason why I hesitate to buy this ZM lens.
The most people hate or dislike "radial" bokeh, but I want it once in a while. Cosina's new NOKTON 50/1.1 may have it.
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Except the first shot at F4, all others were at F1.5 (ie. wide open). I was expecting radial bokeh for this lens, but no avail, probably CZ's
Sonnar 1.5/50 ZM lens may behave the same way. This is a reason why I hesitate to buy this ZM lens. Very Happy
The most people hate or dislike "radial" bokeh, but I want it once in a while. Cosina's new NOKTON 50/1.1 may have it. Very Happy Very Happy |
You are right. The new ZM sonnar renders like the old CZ 1.5/50. No Radial Bokeh. But it does hav a unique look and lovely rendering. It would make a great Portrait lens on a cropped G1 or on FF film for that matter.
I like the way that J3 looks and tried to find one for a while. There is a lot of conjecture that some of the older ones have Zeiss Glass.
I decided to put the money into a good Contax to M adapter for my Opton. It is Zeiss for sure. With that adapter one could use the Opton on a Pany G1 also.
It seems the G1 will be a great portrait cam if nothing else. Maybe it lacks the DR for landscapes and such.
For Portraits using old 50mm RF and reflexes lenses it is great. The added DOF from the cropped sensor will help use those old lenses at more open apertures.
@Koji
Did you put your deposit with Mr. K for the new lens (1.1/50) ?
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@Koji
Did you put your deposit with Mr. K for the new lens (1.1/50) ? |
Yes to Mr. Gandy.
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Orio wrote:
I have both the Planar 1.4/85 and Pancolar 1.8/80.
Of course they are similar lenses but there are some differences.
The Planar is a more modern lens with a stronger contrast and approach to subjects. The Pancolar is a more classic portrait lens that balances well sharpness and tone.
It really depends I think on your shooting style. Both lenses are the "crop of the cream", so to say, and you will not be wrong with any of them.
One consideration you might want to make is, the Pancolar 80 is a much rarer lens, and for this reason, it will hold a higher value in the used lens market. So in case you would decide to sell your lens in the future, the Pancolar is probably a better financial investment. I am speaking of the M42 version of course (the bayonet version will have lower value than the Contax).
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A G Photography wrote:
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I have both the Planar 1.4/85 and Pancolar 1.8/80.
Of course they are similar lenses but there are some differences.
The Planar is a more modern lens with a stronger contrast and approach to subjects. The Pancolar is a more classic portrait lens that balances well sharpness and tone.
It really depends I think on your shooting style. Both lenses are the "crop of the cream", so to say, and you will not be wrong with any of them.
One consideration you might want to make is, the Pancolar 80 is a much rarer lens, and for this reason, it will hold a higher value in the used lens market. So in case you would decide to sell your lens in the future, the Pancolar is probably a better financial investment. I am speaking of the M42 version of course (the bayonet version will have lower value than the Contax). |
I own both and I mainly agree with Orio. A thing I noticed is that the Planar has some more CA than the Pancolar. About the output and bokeh, to be honest, I prefer the Pancolar a lot more for the very reasons Orio gave.
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KhanX wrote:
Thank you for the good details, my friends.
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Attila, you've got my words and heart.
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Short tele : Pentacon Six 120mm f2.8, Carl Zeiss Contax T* 100mm f2, Meyer optik Trioplan 100MM F2.8, Porst 135mm f1.8, Sigmatel ys 135mm f1.8, Schneider 135mm f3.5, Makinon 135mm f3.5, Komura 135mm f3.5, Hexanon 100mm f2.8, Schneider Variogon 80-240mm 4.5, Schneider 135mm f4
Normal : Canon 50mm f0.95, Schneider 50mm f0.95, Hexanon 57mm f1.2, Hexanon 40mm f1.8, Taylor hobson 50mm f1.8, Cooke Kinetal 50mm f1.8, Canon EF 28mm f2.8, Leica 14-50mm f2.8-3.5 Mega O.I.S., Carl Zeiss Contax Distagon 18mm f4, Carl Zeiss Contax Planar T* 50mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Contax 35mm f1.4, Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 28-70mm f3.5-5.6 Macro, Yashica 35mm f2.8, Helios 44-2/58, Helios 85mm f1.5, Pentax SMC-M 50mm f1.4, Pentax SMC-F 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 28mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8, Minolta MD Rokkor 50mm f1.7, Minolta MC PF Rokkor 50mm f1.4, Porst 28mm f2.8, Meyer - Optik Lydith 30mm f3.5, Nikon AIS 50mm f1.2, Tamron SP 28mm f2.8 adaptall, Pentax SMC Takumar 85mm f1.8, Vivitar Series 1 55mm f1.2, Canon FD 85mm f1.2L, Canon FD 55mm f1.2L, Angenieux 135mm f3.5, Cooke Kinetal 75mm f2.6, Steinheil 85mm f2.8, Leica M 50mm f2, Zeiss flextogon 35mm f2.4, Pancolar 50mm f1.8, Schneider Xenar 85mm f4
Wide : Leica Elmerit M 28mm f2.8 asph, Zeiss Contax 21mm f2.8, Zeiss Flextogon 20mm f2.8, Exakta 24mm f2.8 macro, Tokina 17mm f4 |
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asterinex
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asterinex wrote:
I have an opportunity to buy the pancolar and the Zeiss Planar both in mint condition. Both about the same price.
A big advantage of the Pancolar is that it is a lot smaller and lighter. The Planar seems like a heavy beast.
What bothers me most is that I read multiple times that the Aperture(blades) of the Pancolar are very vernable and get broken very fast.
Is this true ? Is this a reason to bypass the Pancolar ? I'm a bot worried about this. |
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themoleman342
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| What bothers me most is that I read multiple times that the Aperture(blades) of the Pancolar are very vernable and get broken very fast. Is this true ? Is this a reason to bypass the Pancolar ? I'm a bot worried about this. |
Zeiss lenses of this era do not have the strongest aperture spring. What ultimately happens is that if a tiny bit of oil reaches the blades the spring can not overcome the added resistance. So it's not so much that anything breaks in the permanent sense, it's that the blades have to be kept completely clean for the system to work. |
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asterinex
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asterinex wrote:
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| What bothers me most is that I read multiple times that the Aperture(blades) of the Pancolar are very vernable and get broken very fast. Is this true ? Is this a reason to bypass the Pancolar ? I'm a bot worried about this. |
Zeiss lenses of this era do not have the strongest aperture spring. What ultimately happens is that if a tiny bit of oil reaches the blades the spring can not overcome the added resistance. So it's not so much that anything breaks in the permanent sense, it's that the blades have to be kept completely clean for the system to work. |
Is it something to consider in the decision ? Does it happen often?
And how can you keep the blades clean? |
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themoleman342
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themoleman342 wrote:
It's something to consider, yes. But it's a problem that can happen to pretty much any lens. I suspect the main cause of lenses getting oil on the blades is because the lens was allowed to get too hot in a camera bag or car which makes the grease separate. The lubrication used on German and Soviet lenses at the time don't seem to be very resistant to this. I've always been really careful with my lenses and heat and I've never had a single one get worse on me and my collection is primarily eastern european products.
"Often" is hard to define. There are a few people on forums that have had a problem but I suspect the majority of owners happily enjoy their pancolar without issue. |
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Orio
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
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What bothers me most is that I read multiple times that the Aperture(blades) of the Pancolar are very vernable and get broken very fast.
Is this true ? Is this a reason to bypass the Pancolar ? I'm a bot worried about this. |
Mine got indeed broken. One day I took it out of the box and the aperture would not stop down anymore.
It was an easy fix for the repair shop though (got it back after 6 days and with a 20-something Euros expense - and the blades cleaned too).
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Silly to pass it.. once cleaned well it last for many years, my oldest one with me 5 yrs from now and works, as Orio say if happen not costly to fix it, I have bot lens Planar and Pancolar , I agree with Orio fully about them.
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