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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before the war 6x6 and 6x9 were printed mostly by contact, and yes, they were amateurish cameras. I have a closet filled with photo of my old relatives printed this way.

In magazines they used large format cameras shots for reportage (Speed Graphic anyone?) and 8x10 very common for posed shots or still life (it was also pretty common in commercial advertisement photography since very few years ago when printed size mattered).

War photojournalists (Robert Capa as example) were the notable exception and the ones who started the 35mm hype.

I repeat, don't make a fool of yourselves just to make fool KR. He's pretty good at this by himself.


PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alessandro,
tripods can be really useless if you're using a fast lens and 5D MkII duo (absolutely a great dream for every one of us) but saying tripods are useless is another thing. Look at his examples on the link, they are all taken with Nikon 12-24 which let's you take photos at slower shutter speeds (body is Nikon D80, ISO range 200-1600) and there are plenty of light in the shots. What if you are using a 70-300 lens and indoor. Anyways my point is some of his statemnents are true but not at all situations and for not everyone.


PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yalçın, the problem with KR is that he on porpuse twists and exaggerates the facts he wrote about, but he is far from stupid and ignorant. He does this to create turmoil, novelty, disucssion and, ultimately, visits on his website.

He carefully select the examples that sustain his bold statements, he's not ignorant, he's just good at marketing.

He put the Nikon 45/2.8 P in the 10 worst lenses because of cost/quality ratio? Damn that lens was expensive new so he isn't completely wrong, but yep it wasn't a bad lens at all (even if I'd far prefer a CZJ Tessar 40mm from the late '40/early 50 at a fraction of the price, but that's me).

He talk about tripods using VR lenses as example, and VR lenses cannot be used on tripods (at least with VR activated) and as you noticed he usually uses extreme wides so to have low shutter times. And about high ISO, it's true than even my crappy Oly e410 is better at ISO 800 than ISO 800 film.

About the 4x5, 8x10 brag he's mostlyt right. 6x6 and 6x9 cameras were in the '30 the equivalent of our digital P&S, advanced amateurs and reporters used 4x5 cameras. So he exaggerates the fact just a bit to make another bold brag.

He's smart... and sometimes also right (the brag about how film is better than most digital cameras is quite true).


PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A G Photography wrote:
Yalçın, the problem with KR is that he on porpuse twists and exaggerates the facts he wrote about, but he is far from stupid and ignorant.


Nobody said that he is dumb. But if somebody write so provocatively, he needs to withstand the answers. Wink
I enjoy his pages and often come back. I actually envy him a little, because he has found a great way to earn money playing around with all that great stuff. Wink
But as I said, he needs to brave a strong wind if he writes these words.


PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didnt realize this thread would draw such emotional responses. Shocked Very Happy

I havent read all of his pages, I just happened to come across his page on Nikons while searching for a 55mm 1.2 lens.


PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He is very well known in the Nikon community. He is quite frankly a huckster of the worst sort - making money because he knows a bit more than many and does not care what he says - truth never interfered with his statements.


patrickh


PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiralcity wrote:
I didnt realize this thread would draw such emotional responses. Shocked Very Happy .


Ken Rockwell needs an equivalent of Godwin's Law.

So i create one: Any forum posting which mentions Ken Rockwell will result in two pages of indignant discussions about him.


PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChrisLilley wrote:
spiralcity wrote:
I didnt realize this thread would draw such emotional responses. Shocked Very Happy .


Ken Rockwell needs an equivalent of Godwin's Law.

So i create one: Any forum posting which mentions Ken Rockwell will result in two pages of indignant discussions about him.


Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A G Photography wrote:
Before the war 6x6 and 6x9 were printed mostly by contact, and yes, they were amateurish cameras. I have a closet filled with photo of my old relatives printed this way.

Agreed; I had lots of ancestral pics done the same way, but that's not the end of that story. A folder I bought recently, dating from the 30s, still had the maker's instruction booklet with it and at the end it contained an advert for their own-brand enlarger. So that totally refutes his nonsensical allegation that amateurs used 5x7s

Quote:

In magazines they used large format cameras shots for reportage (Speed Graphic anyone?) and 8x10 very common for posed shots or still life (it was also pretty common in commercial advertisement photography since very few years ago when printed size mattered).

Very true, and if what he meant to say was that there was always an urge amongst amateurs to go up a size or two, finances permitting, then fine. But he didn't say that - he made a bald assertion that amateurs shot their baby pics on 5x7, which is utter nonsense.