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Mamiya Auto Sekor 55mm f1.4
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ramiller500 wrote:
I have an all-black version (for DTL series cameras) with a visibly convex rear element.

Does it have a rim around the rear element? Can you post a picture of its rear part?


PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't have my lens handy, but recall that the center of the rear element seemed to extend a little beyond the element's outer retaining ring. There is no big rear element housing such as those I have seen with some Yashinon DX lenses.


PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wide open, with the external flash pointed towards the ceiling.



Crop:



Lovely.


PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correction---I rechecked my all-black Mamiya Sekor 55mm/1.4 lens (serial number 120585) carefully from the side, and the rear surface of its rear element really is flat, not slightly convex as I had thought! This result agrees with the statement above that this lens had only the flat variant. Sorry for the confusion.


PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, so the silver ones were probably built up to a certain s/n and then it was taken over by the all black version.
My copy is #134067, so it's consistent with your lens.
Wink


PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have both Silver/Black and Black 55mm 1.4.
I decided to keep the Black one as I noticed that the Silver reflected light
from chrome nose to glass when I was trying to use it without hood.
I wish I could keep them both but I cannot afford owning every les twice so I decided to have them all black.

First of all some pictures of the lenses on a black and a silver/black 1000DTL



So I start with samples from Silver lens


I used an adapter to fit it on a Canon 40D:
f/1.4

f/2

f/2.8

f/4


My Black lens is in almost perfect condition:


And here are some more pictures shoot with Black lens on an Olympus E-P1 using an adapter.

f/1.4

f/2

f/4

f/5.6

f/8

f/1.4

f/2

f/2.8

f/4

f/5.6


If you click on images you can see them bigger on external link.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ilias83 wrote:
I have both Silver/Black and Black 55mm 1.4.
I decided to keep the Black one as I noticed that the Silver reflected light
from chrome nose to glass when I was trying to use it without hood.
I wish I could keep them both but I cannot afford owning every les twice so I decided to have them all black.

I think your silver/black lens has a convex rear element so it is not identical to the black one.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dimitrygo wrote:
Ilias83 wrote:
I have both Silver/Black and Black 55mm 1.4.
I decided to keep the Black one as I noticed that the Silver reflected light
from chrome nose to glass when I was trying to use it without hood.
I wish I could keep them both but I cannot afford owning every les twice so I decided to have them all black.

I think your silver/black lens has a convex rear element so it is not identical to the black one.


Cannot agree. I had two silver Mamiyas F1.4. One i have sold other is still in front of me and it's as flat as it can be.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancolart wrote:
dimitrygo wrote:

I think your silver/black lens has a convex rear element so it is not identical to the black one.

Cannot agree. I had two silver Mamiyas F1.4. One i have sold other is still in front of me and it's as flat as it can be.


dimitrygo isright.My silver/black lens had a covex rear element and you had to be very careful to to scratch it.
It was like Tominon 55mm f/1.4 here:


PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancolart wrote:
dimitrygo wrote:
Ilias83 wrote:
I have both Silver/Black and Black 55mm 1.4.
I decided to keep the Black one as I noticed that the Silver reflected light
from chrome nose to glass when I was trying to use it without hood.
I wish I could keep them both but I cannot afford owning every les twice so I decided to have them all black.

I think your silver/black lens has a convex rear element so it is not identical to the black one.


Cannot agree. I had two silver Mamiyas F1.4. One i have sold other is still in front of me and it's as flat as it can be.

A/M switch of all Mamiya vesions with flat rear element is recessed, I mean it is placed in a little niche. The A/M switch of silver/black version with a convex rear element is not recessed like in the picture above and like Rikenon and Sears versions.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ilias83 wrote:
Pancolart wrote:
dimitrygo wrote:

I think your silver/black lens has a convex rear element so it is not identical to the black one.

Cannot agree. I had two silver Mamiyas F1.4. One i have sold other is still in front of me and it's as flat as it can be.


dimitrygo isright.My silver/black lens had a covex rear element and you had to be very careful to to scratch it.
It was like Tominon 55mm f/1.4 here:

Yes, visually it probably looks very similar but I am not sure Tominon also has a convex rear element.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Convex Rear End Reply with quote

My Mamiya-Sekor (no. 15263)(55mm f.14) is the black version with a well worn exterior - however - the glass is perfect. The rear element is slightly convex on my version and is slightly radioactive at 377 micro roentgens/hr - no biggie. The front elements on at least 1 of my other lenses has about the same reading. Fluorite comes to mind as a source. Anyway here is a photo I took on the fly this am.



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more picture shot with black lens on my black 1000DTL.
Film used was a Fuji S-400 and aperture was set on 1.4



PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:09 am    Post subject: Strange thick m42 mount on this lens -- what is it? Reply with quote

Hi, I have two copies of the 55mm f/1.4 mamiya sekor, but one of them has a thick mount that prevents focusing on anything other than very close things (it moves the lens about a centimeter too far from the camera):



Here are the two lenses side by side:


Obviously the right-hand lens is the one I am confused by. The one on the left works fine.

Here they are again. the right hand lens is the one with the thick mount:



Any ideas? It must be for some other format?

thanks!


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: Strange thick m42 mount on this lens -- what is it? Reply with quote

sshanky wrote:
Hi, I have two copies of the 55mm f/1.4 mamiya sekor, but one of them has a thick mount that prevents focusing on anything other than very close things (it moves the lens about a centimeter too far from the camera):



Here are the two lenses side by side:


Obviously the right-hand lens is the one I am confused by. The one on the left works fine.

Here they are again. the right hand lens is the one with the thick mount:



Any ideas? It must be for some other format?

thanks!


From now on your images and links will show up (antispam measure)

It looks like the bottom part on the right lens can be removed.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried removing it. Underneath is the aperture mechanism, loose. No way to mount at that point.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The second lens was improperly reassembled.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some autumn leaves taken with this lens:







A few more in the Flickr set


PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This lens is supposed to be Tomioka. I have the same branded Cosinon . 55mm 1.4 with the flat rearlens and the same build.
Nice lens . I like it very much


PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

memetph wrote:
This lens is supposed to be Tomioka. I have the same branded Cosinon . 55mm 1.4 with the flat rearlens and the same build.
Nice lens . I like it very much

There are too many speculations about these lenses. Chances are your Cosinon is made by Cosina and not Tomioka.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is the case, which is another speculation, it is a very precise copy.
Same size, same aperture,same rings position, even the screws are at the same place , same flat rearlens.
Those lenses are similar to the very small details.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

memetph wrote:
If it is the case, which is another speculation, it is a very precise copy.
Same size, same aperture,same rings position, even the screws are at the same place , same flat rearlens.
Those lenses are similar to the very small details.


They are indeed very similar but still have some small differences. And just to continue the speculations - who told you Maimya is not made by Cosina? I am not telling this is a true but we don't have any evidence that any of these lenses is really made by either Tomioka or Cosina. The only thing we know is that they look very similar to Tomioka marked lenses.


PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right. It is very difficult to know which lenses were produced by Tomioka . That is why I wrote , "this lens is supposed....."
I will investigate about Cosinon and their own production of lenses.I remember Cosina as a famous moviecameras producer (super Cool.At my time there were not very famous as photo camera producer.


PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know if the Mamiya/Sekor 55mm f1.4 is the same as the Rikenon 55mm f1.4 with the Nikon mount?


PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cropshy wrote:
Does anyone know if the Mamiya/Sekor 55mm f1.4 is the same as the Rikenon 55mm f1.4 with the Nikon mount?

It's not. Neither optically, neither Gehäuse. Rikenon is IMHO fully Nikon made lens.