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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:

@alex_ph Notice how in this thread you return here almost exactly the same time each year since 2021? Smile A Springtime cycle for you and mflenses?


Haha, nice hit! I might substitute the inevitable spring madness with raising mflenses activities. At the end it is less destructive!

In fact, I observe some growing activities in the forum as the winter ends, and this pushes me to draw the line of photographic year. I am recently a less regular contributing member due to job precarity.


PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex_d wrote:
wait .. what ?
...
well when i was still on the film, a good friend photographer got a new cutting edge Fuji Pro s1.

Imagine 6mb, being a pro & selling pics for print.


Back in the early 2000s I was using the Nikon D1.
A mere 2.7 MP, but an incredibly nice body. No problem to get good A4 sized portrait prints! Portraits often were looking better than the corresponding prints made from slide film ...

S


PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevemark wrote:
alex_d wrote:
wait .. what ?
...
well when i was still on the film, a good friend photographer got a new cutting edge Fuji Pro s1.

Imagine 6mb, being a pro & selling pics for print.


Back in the early 2000s I was using the Nikon D1.
A mere 2.7 MP, but an incredibly nice body. No problem to get good A4 sized portrait prints! Portraits often were looking better than the corresponding prints made from slide film ...

S


.. how much MB's we need actually..?

I was suspicious of Fuji for a while, but now I'm sure they are just printing new models,
and everything is based on the same internals, more or less, and the same algorithm.

From time to time, they bring a new 'film sim' - imagine that!
And you pay a few hundred extra as an upgrade from the previous model - that is more or less the same as older mod.

So to get back on MB, most 'photographers' have much more than they can use,
and they are still complaining about something (lack of MS's..).

When people are consumers, they are mostly scammed 99%.


PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex_d wrote:
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When people are consumers, they are mostly scammed 99%.


98%. I like to believe there is some hope... Wink

I can recommend the classic read of "The Hidden Persuaders" by Vance Packard. I am tempted to re-read it myself.

The publisher wrote:
A classic examination of how our thoughts and feelings are manipulated by business, media and politicians, The Hidden Persuaders was the first book to expose the hidden world of “motivation research,” the psychological technique that advertisers use to probe our minds in order to control our actions as consumers.


Bear in mind that the book was written before they discovered planned obsolescence of function could be exploited very effectively using software updates...; thing have gotten worse Sad


PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2024 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RokkorDoctor wrote:
alex_d wrote:
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When people are consumers, they are mostly scammed 99%.


98%. I like to believe there is some hope... Wink


no there isn't any of it left ..

there is a hope and there are some substances to replace the sour taste as drugs soft and hard, alcohol, different hallucinogens, ... and such


RokkorDoctor wrote:


I can recommend the classic read of "The Hidden Persuaders" by Vance Packard. I am tempted to re-read it myself.


nice thanx, i know this from many many moons ago and is a good recommendation to read it again


PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2024 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to "mythology", Hope remains at the bottom of Pandora's box after the rest has flown out...i.e. Hope is never lost!

I think I remember that book from Mass Media class in 1970 (high school).


PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2024 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex_d wrote:
RokkorDoctor wrote:
alex_d wrote:
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When people are consumers, they are mostly scammed 99%.


98%. I like to believe there is some hope... Wink


no there isn't any of it left ..

there is a hope and there are some substances to replace the sour taste as drugs soft and hard, alcohol, different hallucinogens, ... and such


Music; try music! Much better for the soul (and body) Wink


PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2024 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RokkorDoctor wrote:


there is a hope and there are some substances to replace the sour taste as drugs soft and hard, alcohol, different hallucinogens, ... and such


Music; try music! Much better for the soul (and body) Wink


Smile


PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2024 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forums of all shapes and forms seem to be in decline....sadly.


PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaveNJ wrote:
Forums of all shapes and forms seem to be in decline....sadly.


Agreed. I suspect it's an effect if Facebook, Twitter etc coupled with the slow reduction in the number of people who grew up with user groups, chat rooms and the like.

Much as the mobile phone has taken over the camera for the vast majority (and let's face it a mobile more often than not will get a photo that usable on social media) social media has replaced to forum. Part of the reason is I suspect that social media allows a single contact point for multiple areas if interest. No logging onto multiple web pages, be learning the vagaries of each forum software and realtime notifications across all interests.

Is it a good thing? Personally (being a gentleman of a certain age) I don't think so.


PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There certainly is a lot of activity on certain facebook groups, and the possibility of reaching, or interacting with, more people. However, the content doesn't seem as searchable or as well stored, as the body of information found on a forum like this one. Most search engine searches still point to this website or one of the few others that also deal in camera gear from the past.


PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2024 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I have very little use for social media, and am missing the point a bit on blogging Razz

I actually prefer the bulletin board format- about as close to book-like as I am going to get, without an actual book.
Won't be going anywhere for a while yet...

-D.S.


PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you noticed that in the forum stats today: Most users ever online was 1173 on Mon Mar 10, 2025 2:42 pm!

Is it a whole new generation of MF users has precipitated to read the forum?


PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mobile phones haven´t taken the camera from the market , it was a large gap when photography was to complicated and expensive for many, so these last have simplified user interface, doesn´t mean better quality, but in some cases, pictures would fit for many users. I guess there`s some interest into analogue or manual shooting just for the reason to be different from all other normal people. Maybe people are tired to see AI into so many gadgets surrounding us, so they would try to find how origins of photography looked like. Perfect lenses with details all over are just so normal nowadays. I met a guys mother (he`s using a A7RIV with best modern apo lenses) and she`s not happy at all with the pictures her son is taking, way too many details that make her feel uncomfortable. The most females i`m taking pictures of, are very happy with the 1.4 lens rendering for their portraits. The vintage will never come back to it`s old times, but is a good moment to buy cheap material if someone is really interested. I just bought very cheap a Lynx14 the other day, pristine condition and lovely to use. The only problem is that is much more expensive to shoot film than digital. Xiaomi released some external lenses to mount on the back of the phone (magnetically).


PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

photography as a hobby is really IN in europe

the good thing is that the most stupid things are still photographed by a phone.

and then sent online. somewhere.

pity for all that electricity that turns enormous servers for pics without any value.

but we the people have to accept the green deal, stop to eat meat, stop to fart, drive electric cars ..

no thanx


PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex_d wrote:
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but we the people have to accept the green deal, stop to eat meat, stop to fart, drive electric cars ..

...


Pushing it. You are warned.


PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a term for wht the unholy alliance of "The Persuaders" and the planned obselesence mindset. Its called enshittification. For example corporations are going more and more to subscription model sales. You don't "own" the widget you bought you have to pay widget manufacturing an ongoing subscription to keep the toy or tool functioning.


PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex ph wrote:
Have you noticed that in the forum stats today: Most users ever online was 1173 on Mon Mar 10, 2025 2:42 pm!

Is it a whole new generation of MF users has precipitated to read the forum?


they are robots Sad


PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kansalliskala wrote:
alex ph wrote:
Have you noticed that in the forum stats today: Most users ever online was 1173 on Mon Mar 10, 2025 2:42 pm!

Is it a whole new generation of MF users has precipitated to read the forum?


they are robots Sad


I agree there is a high likelihood of this being AI ventures harvesting data for training their models.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

visualopsins wrote:
alex_d wrote:
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but we the people have to accept the green deal, stop to eat meat, stop to fart, drive electric cars ..

...


Pushing it. You are warned.


Please apply to the nearest prison and repent.


PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lumens pixel wrote:
visualopsins wrote:
alex_d wrote:
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but we the people have to accept the green deal, stop to eat meat, stop to fart, drive electric cars ..

...


Pushing it. You are warned.


Please apply to the nearest prison and repent.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex_d wrote:
photography as a hobby is really IN in europe

the good thing is that the most stupid things are still photographed by a phone.

and then sent online. somewhere.

pity for all that electricity that turns enormous servers for pics without any value.

but we the people have to accept the green deal, stop to eat meat, stop to fart, drive electric cars ..

no thanx


I've noticed the price of small "digicams" (10-20MP) has gone way up on Goodwill. When I did a bit of research it seems that the kids decided the cool "analog" film was too expensive and decided old compact cameras emulate it good enough. Also Kendall Jenner posted a pic on Instagram with her Canon Elph which caused the price of those to increase drastically. My first post here so if hopefully I don't mess something up... I have been reading the forum since my first Olympus E-PL1 back in 2010. I believe I have to post a time or two to to be able to post photos. Just won a Fujinon 55mm f/1.6 M42 from Goodwill! Can't wait to try it and will try to post some samples.


PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2025 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Ken to the active members community! And thank you for your contribution.

Reading your post I was nearly cursing Kendall Jenner whose existence I had ignored up to the moment, for pushing up the prices of older digital P&S. It is true that recently the prices jumped up in Europe, and I was asking myself about the reason of this. But I looked at some internet sources and I acknowledged the hype linked to her self-promotion dates of about one month. Meanwhile I observed the price jump in local European boards already in December. Now one can rarely find a working Ixus or another Canon compact digital camera cheaper than 80 euros if one reaches the listing later than 5 minutes after it was published. So she might follow and boost the hype, other than trendsetting it. I presume this is the US rush for the mid-2000s digital P&S which started two or three years ago and now reverberating in Europe and then back again in the US. What do you think?

I am looking forward for the results of your MF experiments.


PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenolta wrote:
alex_d wrote:
photography as a hobby is really IN in europe

the good thing is that the most stupid things are still photographed by a phone.

and then sent online. somewhere.

pity for all that electricity that turns enormous servers for pics without any value.

but we the people have to accept the green deal, stop to eat meat, stop to fart, drive electric cars ..

no thanx


I've noticed the price of small "digicams" (10-20MP) has gone way up on Goodwill. When I did a bit of research it seems that the kids decided the cool "analog" film was too expensive and decided old compact cameras emulate it good enough. Also Kendall Jenner posted a pic on Instagram with her Canon Elph which caused the price of those to increase drastically. My first post here so if hopefully I don't mess something up... I have been reading the forum since my first Olympus E-PL1 back in 2010. I believe I have to post a time or two to to be able to post photos. Just won a Fujinon 55mm f/1.6 M42 from Goodwill! Can't wait to try it and will try to post some samples.


I've got a Canon 270 I.S. here that I just recently learned how to boost the I/Q-Size on.
Haven't done anything with it since as the film cameras and lone DSLR take up most of my time.
The little Canon is in decent shape, and may be a compact lightweight solution for me riding the bicycle(s).
I really should give it a crack one of these days- it shows focus peaking *I think* in manual focus mode.
I picked it up for 12 bucks in a thrift shop almost 6 years ago now...

-D.S.


PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex ph wrote:
Welcome Ken to the active members community! And thank you for your contribution.

Reading your post I was nearly cursing Kendall Jenner whose existence I had ignored up to the moment, for pushing up the prices of older digital P&S. It is true that recently the prices jumped up in Europe, and I was asking myself about the reason of this. But I looked at some internet sources and I acknowledged the hype linked to her self-promotion dates of about one month. Meanwhile I observed the price jump in local European boards already in December. Now one can rarely find a working Ixus or another Canon compact digital camera cheaper than 80 euros if one reaches the listing later than 5 minutes after it was published. So she might follow and boost the hype, other than trendsetting it. I presume this is the US rush for the mid-2000s digital P&S which started two or three years ago and now reverberating in Europe and then back again in the US. What do you think?

I am looking forward for the results of your MF experiments.


Thank you! I do think she had an impact and the fact that the big manufacturers quit producing high numbers of compact digital cameras which caused the supply to go way down. You want what you can't have... I know my GAS kicked in and I suddenly needed a lightweight kit equivalent in size to a compact camera despite already owning a 10MP Canon S95 and others. I ended up going back to my very compact Olympus EM-5 with the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 and of course all my lightweight MF lenses including a new Olympus 15mm F/8 body cap lens. There is something liberating about going back to 10-15 year old tech where you don't have instant perfection. I also hope the young compact digital cam users will also discover the joy of vintage manual focus lenses / mirrorless cameras and become additions to this community!