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Nikos
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 Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: Contax Planar 1,4/85: Can it get better than that? |
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Nikos wrote:
This photo will never win a photo contest.
However, I post it here because I think the resolution delivered by the Planar and the 5D Mark II is more than impressive.
I wonder, is there a better performer at 1.4?
Stopping down to f/2 gives a boost to contrast and eliminates most CA.
LiveView is essential to get the most of this lens on a DSLR.
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Attila
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Don't think so there is better lens and also don't think so need better performance . It would be nice to compare with couple of other ones. Like Samyang 85mm f1.4 or Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 75mm.
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
I like the sharpness of my SMC Pentax-FA* 85mm f/1.4, but it is an AF lens (out of production since 2003; Pentax never made a successor). I don't have a FF digital body to use it on.
I'm not sure about how this compares to the Zeiss but I'm very picky and the FA* never let me down in the sharpness department. I had a Komura 85/1.4 M42 and that lens was a big letdown wide open.
A 100% crop (unprocessed) wide open at f/1.4 from the FA*. I missed the pupil but the hairs are pretty sharp I think.
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karabud
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karabud wrote:
New ZF/ZE seems to be sharper with far less CA and smoother bokeh. Zeiss ZA too; Nikkor af-d is very good and Canon 85L is also exc lens.
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Nikos
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| Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
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| ... with far less CA ... |
I wish you were right. But I'm afraid you are wrong.
My 2 ZE lenses have cost me more than 2500 Euros. The biggest issue is CA.
Far more than I ever noticed in any of my good Canon lenses (e.g. 24-70, 70-200, 17mm TS-E).
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Orio wrote:
I don't have the Z lens, but reviews I read confirm what Nkanellopoulos says.
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karabud
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karabud wrote:
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| karabud wrote: |
| ... with far less CA ... |
I wish you were right. But I'm afraid you are wrong.
My 2 ZE lenses have cost me more than 2500 Euros. The biggest issue is CA.
Far more than I ever noticed in any of my good Canon lenses (e.g. 24-70, 70-200, 17mm TS-E). |
You are talking about axial or loCA?If axial then new 85 is better a little and sahrper wo; if loCA - there aren`t any f1.4 without loCA...btw look on new nikkor 85/1.4G - bigest loCA ever saw...
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gcrimmins wrote:
According to Zeiss' MTF charts, the Contax 85/1.2 is sharper at 1.2 than the 85/1.4 is at 1.4. The Canon 85/1.2 and Samyang 85/1.4 may also be sharper at 1.4 than the Zeiss 85/1.4.
So, yes, it does get better 1.4, but I'm not sure how much difference you would notice in the real world. And sharpness isn't everything.
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ersatz
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ersatz wrote:
At a distance like that the CY is very good. But you try to focus at near MFD and for some reason sharpness and contrast seem to go down. |
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AhamB
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AhamB wrote:
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| At a distance like that the CY is very good. But you try to focus at near MFD and for some reason sharpness and contrast seem to go down. |
It's for the reason that it's optimized for long focus distances, just like the Planar 50/1.4.
The cheap Rokinon/Samyang 85/1.4 is much sharper at short focus distances, on par with the Canon 85L. Both of them will not beat the Planar for long focus distances. |
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Nikos
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| Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Nikos wrote:
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You are talking about axial or loCA?If axial then new 85 is better a little and sahrper wo; if loCA - there aren`t any f1.4 without loCA...btw look on new nikkor 85/1.4G - bigest loCA ever saw... |
Well, I am talking about PURPLE fringing (this is usually longitudinal CA I think).
I stress purple, because it is the only color of CA I am able to see.
I am biased by nature on this issue, as I am color-blind (deuteranopia).
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Zeiss 2/135 Contax, Zeiss 2.8/135 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 35-70 Contax, Zeiss Vario-Sonnar 100-300 Contax, Zeiss F-Distagon Rollei, Canon FD 24mm f2, Minolta MD Rokkor 35mm f2.8
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vulko wrote:
| nkanellopoulos wrote: |
| karabud wrote: |
You are talking about axial or loCA?If axial then new 85 is better a little and sahrper wo; if loCA - there aren`t any f1.4 without loCA...btw look on new nikkor 85/1.4G - bigest loCA ever saw... |
Well, I am talking about PURPLE fringing (this is usually longitudinal CA I think).
I stress purple, because it is the only color of CA I am able to see.
I am biased by nature on this issue, as I am color-blind (deuteranopia). |
Just shoot in b/w or sell your lenses over ebay and get something sharper 
Maybe a cpl filter will help when shooting stuff like in the first pic. Or just avoid shooting wide open stuff that reflects light. |
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Joosep
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Joosep wrote:
Can it get any better than that ?
Well.. depends, define "better".
It really comes down to what you prefer.
Buzy bokeh, smooth bokeh, swirly bokeh, donut bokeh, star bokeh, "portrait soft blur", ghosting (yeah, some people seriously love ghosting), vignetting or what ever.
There is a reason why there are so many different builds, lenghts, apertures out there, there is not golden way. And most definately it cant be "your way or the highway".
In here we have a saying: "Kellele ema, kellele tütar".
In rough translation: "Some want the mother, some want the daughter"
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LOL on that saying... |
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poilu wrote:
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| In rough translation: "Some want the mother, some want the daughter" |
best is to take both 
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Nikos wrote:
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| Joosep wrote: |
| In rough translation: "Some want the mother, some want the daughter" |
best is to take both |
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