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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: CA - purple fringing |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Hi all
I've been really struggling with purple fringing with my Tamron SP 60-300 and Tamron SP 70-210 19AH. Well, specifically, bright blue fringing in sunny conditions.
I read somewhere that attaching a UV filter might resolve the problem, and luckily I had a 62mm UV filter discarded in a box! I tried it and it stopped nearly all CA!
My only concern now is that filters might degrade the resolution...it's a Hoya so shouldn't be too bad, but I'll report back after my holiday
Thought this might be useful for someone. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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estudleon
Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 3754 Location: Argentina
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
Yes, very usefull at least for me.
I hear two thing about UV filter
1- Like all the filters, degrade the image quality.
2- As it eliminates the UV waves, reduce the blue/purple fringing, and improve the IQ.
How much it degrades and how much improve the IQ?
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GrahamNR17
Joined: 17 Jan 2009 Posts: 1855 Location: Norfolk, UK
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:12 am Post subject: Re: CA - purple fringing |
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GrahamNR17 wrote:
Shrek wrote: |
Hi all
I've been really struggling with purple fringing with my Tamron SP 60-300 and Tamron SP 70-210 19AH. Well, specifically, bright blue fringing in sunny conditions.
I read somewhere that attaching a UV filter might resolve the problem, and luckily I had a 62mm UV filter discarded in a box! I tried it and it stopped nearly all CA!
My only concern now is that filters might degrade the resolution...it's a Hoya so shouldn't be too bad, but I'll report back after my holiday
Thought this might be useful for someone. |
Useful info, I'll give that a try.
Don't worry about IQ, there will be no measurable degradation of image. That goes for pretty much any filter you buy, even the cruddy Jessops ones. The Hoya HMC have better than 98% light transmission (as will most coated ones) and the uncoated ones will be in the region of the upper 90s%. apart from that, they only need to be perfectly flat, and that's been easy to achieve in optical filters for years |
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Filters however (even the best ones) may cause internal reflections.
I suggest care in using them in potential flare situations (shooting against the sun, or with a light source in or near the visual field).
It also becomes more important to control the lateral parassite light with a hood (a good habit also without filters). _________________ Orio, Administrator
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trifox
Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3614 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Filters however (even the best ones) may cause internal reflections.
I suggest care in using them in potential flare situations (shooting against the sun, or with a light source in or near the visual field).
It also becomes more important to control the lateral parassite light with a hood (a good habit also without filters). |
yes, Orio... - - but you must admit that the carrying of hoods is not being done by us particulary -- they are always forgotten at home ..
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conor12
Joined: 18 Apr 2008 Posts: 129 Location: Dublin
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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conor12 wrote:
Knowing that my lenses are not going to get scratched is almost worth a slight decrease in image quality. Although I have to say that it is always on my mind that MAYBE the pic would have been nicer without the filter. I think I need to stop obsessing... _________________ Yashica: 2.8/24
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Spotmatic
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 4045 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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Spotmatic wrote:
conor12 wrote: |
Knowing that my lenses are not going to get scratched is almost worth a slight decrease in image quality. Although I have to say that it is always on my mind that MAYBE the pic would have been nicer without the filter. I think I need to stop obsessing... |
I always use my lenses without filter. Scratches are not as much degrading the image as you might think. See for yourself:
http://www.lensrentals.com/news/2008.10.30/front-element-scratches
Now, of course I do take care of my lenses, but I would not pass up a rare lens with a scratch on the front lens. _________________ Peter - Moderator
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kds315*
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 16664 Location: Weinheim, Germany
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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kds315* wrote:
Well, CA (purple fringing) can be stopped / reduced using an UV/IR Cut filter which cuts into the deep blue (violet) starting at about 410-420nm. That gets hardly noticed. A very common practise in astro-photography btw. _________________ Klaus - Admin
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Lomo Зуфар-2 f4.0/350mm
Lomo ZIKAR-1A f1.2/100mm
Nikon UV Nikkor f4.5/105mm
Zeiss UV-Sonnar f4.3/105mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f1.8/45mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f4.1/94mm
CERCO UV-VIS-NIR f2.8/100mm
Steinheil Quarzobjektiv f1.8/50mm
Pentax Quartz Takumar f3.5/85mm
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NYE OPTICAL Lyman-Alpha I f2.8/200mm
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COASTAL OPTICS f4.5/105mm UV-Micro-Apo
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Pentax Ultra-Achromatic Takumar f5.6/300mm
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lulalake
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 1191 Location: Near Austin Texas
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: CA - purple fringing |
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lulalake wrote:
Shrek wrote: |
Hi all
I've been really struggling with purple fringing with my Tamron SP 60-300 and Tamron SP 70-210 19AH. Well, specifically, bright blue fringing in sunny conditions.
I read somewhere that attaching a UV filter might resolve the problem, and luckily I had a 62mm UV filter discarded in a box! I tried it and it stopped nearly all CA!
My only concern now is that filters might degrade the resolution...it's a Hoya so shouldn't be too bad, but I'll report back after my holiday
Thought this might be useful for someone. |
Do you use Photoshop?
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Katastrofo
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 10405 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Katastrofo wrote:
So what is all this hoopla about purple fringing in California?
Interesting thread... |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6622 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Katastrofo wrote: |
So what is all this hoopla about purple fringing in California?
Interesting thread... |
Haha very good!
Jules - yes I do use photoshop. But I took a load of shots of seagulls recently with a blue sky background, and found that I couldn't remove the fringing without making the sky go grey. Perhaps I should have used the colour replacement tool. Either way, it sucks!
I'll post some examples up as soon as the sun comes out, with and without UV filter. The filter certainly helped produce much better photos with my Tammy SP 60-300! _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
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lulalake
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 1191 Location: Near Austin Texas
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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:29 am Post subject: |
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lulalake wrote:
Shrek wrote: |
Katastrofo wrote: |
So what is all this hoopla about purple fringing in California?
Interesting thread... |
Haha very good!
Jules - yes I do use photoshop. But I took a load of shots of seagulls recently with a blue sky background, and found that I couldn't remove the fringing without making the sky go grey. Perhaps I should have used the colour replacement tool. Either way, it sucks!
I'll post some examples up as soon as the sun comes out, with and without UV filter. The filter certainly helped produce much better photos with my Tammy SP 60-300! |
I have a great piece oif software that I will send you. I've used it for years and it gives total control over what you want messed with, however, my computer is in pieces at the mopment and it will take a few weeks to get it to you.
Hang in there.
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