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Spotmatic
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 Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:21 pm Post subject: Asahi 58mm f/2.4 Takumar (Heliar type) |
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Spotmatic wrote:
I've shown a few examples with this lens before. This lens is seldom seen because it was sold with the Asahiflex (in M37 mount) and the first Pentaxes (in M42 mount). I'm lucky to have both versions.
What makes this lens interesting and unique is that it is still the only 35mm SLR standard lens that was designed around the Heliar type (five elements in three groups). All other lenses, from all makers, were mostly designed around the Gaussian design. Also, the 58mm f/2.4 Takumar is the fastest Heliar type of any format (as per Frank Mechelhoff's great site). It may not be the sharpest standard lens I own, but this lens will always be very special to me because of its unique design.
By the way, the last photo is a great testament to the designers of the Pentax K10D. That one was made handheld at 1/6s! 
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trifox wrote:
spotmatic --- wow!!
love them ...
the first one is EXCEPTIONAL ..
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horvlas
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horvlas wrote:
The 4th one really pops out! |
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
#1 and #2 are exceptional 
Is the register distance of M37 similar to M42?
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patrickh wrote:
Excellent set to demonstrate this unusual lens. Quite a testament. I must admit to being very impressed with the 3 taks I have acquired so far (I have a 105/2.8 on its way). Thanks, as always the presentation is very professional.
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
Thanks everyone! 
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#1 and #2 are exceptional
Is the register distance of M37 similar to M42? |
Yes, the register distance of the Asahiflex mount is exactly the same as the M42 mount.
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no-X
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no-X wrote:
Thank you
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cilinderman
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cilinderman wrote:
Man, I won't get tired to say it ... You are a great photographer with a great sense!
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Attila wrote:
#7 to me , awesome as always!
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Gurdie wrote:
In my eyes, # 1 is absolutely great. Exposure, composition, the blending of sharp and soft, muted colors... everything. The special lens apparently inspires you. Hope you have more this kind to come.
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Orio
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Orio wrote:
Nice pictures, I like #1 very much for the pose with the finger on the glass, and #6 for how you separated the planes with the DOF.
I also like much your framing style.
P.S. If I remember correctly, the Heliar should be based on the Tessar scheme plus the addition of a glass to the front group. Is that correct?
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Spotmatic
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Spotmatic wrote:
Thanks for the kind words!
Orio: you are correct. If I may add the pictures from Frank Mechelhoff's site (http://www.taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Pentax_Takumar_e.html):
The optical diagram of the 50mm f/3.5 Asahi-Kogaku Takumar (Tessar type):
The optical diagram of the 58mm f/2.4 Takumar:
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My fast 80s: Asahi-Kogaku Takumar 83mm f/1.9 - Super-Takumar 85mm f/1.9 - FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited - Cyclop 85/1.5 (Helios-40 innards) - Komura 80mm f/1.8 - Meyer Görlitz Primoplan 7,5cm 1:1.9 - Carl Zeiss Jena 80mm f/1.8 Pancolar - Canon 85mm f/1.8 S.S.C. - Canon 85mm f/1.2 S.S.C. Aspherical |
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walter23
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walter23 wrote:
After I saw this thread I knew I had to find one. The heliar in large format is a classic and much sought after lens, and playing with one of a similar formula on my DSLR was too much temptation to resist.
Anyway, after some searching and reading it began to sink in that this is a pretty rare lens and that finding one might be very difficult... and just when I'd given up hope I actually found one in a used store, for less than $100! Alas it is in the pesky M37 mount but there's an adapter on the way, I guess, and at worst I can rig something up with gaffers tape 
This has got to be the only time I've ever sought out something rare and collectible and actually found it at a reasonable price! I don't collect for collection's sake, I collect to shoot, so damnit I deserve it |
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walter23
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walter23 wrote:
BTW, where can I see more images from your lens? Thanks |
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Siswono wrote:
wooo ... wunderbar !!!
very nice shot |
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Arsenate
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Arsenate wrote:
beautiful shots |
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Welcome!
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Pancolart wrote:
Beautiful pastel colors. Can you give a guess how much such lens is worth? I can't find any references (sign of rarity must be).
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koji wrote:
#1 is very nice,,
Today you get faster Heliar design lenses from Cosina Japan, namely
CV Heliar classic 50/2 L-mount, and
CV Heliar classic 75/1.8 M-mount (newest lens from Cosina)
Slower ones
CV Color-Heliar 75/2.5 L-(and many mount) and F-mount (SLII)
CV Heliar classic 50/3.5 L-mount
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CarbonR wrote:
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| Beautiful pastel colors. Can you give a guess how much such lens is worth? I can't find any references (sign of rarity must be). |
http://kajiwara.weebly.com/formules-optiques-et-prix.html
I sold mine here for 95€ some months ago, I bought my minty one for 156€
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Telephoto : Takumar 135/2.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/2.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V1 135mm, Takumar 135/3.5 V2 135mm, Takumar 150/4 V1 150mm, Takumar 150/4 V2 150mm
Long tele : Takumar 200/3.5 200mm, Takumar 200/4 200mm, Takumar 200/5.6 200mm, Takumar 300/4 V1 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V2 300mm, Takumar 300/4 V3 300mm, Takumar 300/6.3 300mm, Takumar 400/5.6 400mm, Takumar 500/4.5 500mm, Takumar 500/5 500mm, Takumar 1000/8 V1 1000mm, Takumar 1000/8 V2 1000mm
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Pancolart wrote:
Thank you for the link. I have a chance of acquiring one, but it's risky - no Ebay feedback guarantee.
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kds315* wrote:
Very well done Peter, as always.The Heliar is a classic portrait lens, but gers quite sharp stopped down.
Personally I prefer a bit the Sonnar lens type (like the 58mm f2.0 Takumar), but that one has something indeed...
Cosina recently introduced the Classic Heliar f1.8/75mm (in Leica-M mount) and I'm grumbling about getting it...
f1.8 and a Heliar for portraits...
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ellepi wrote:
First picture is the best.
Other pictures are very good but the first is better
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