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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Summicron-R 50



PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oaks, Summicron-R 50:



PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's it. Thanks for viewing.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gosh, Lens Dabbler, it looks like you used Velvia in these last shots! Laughing
So, if this is a movie, what is my motivation in this scene....really like
the last pic!

You and Attila might have to come to realize, through some incredible
stroke of randomity, have the only two decent Biometar 120, extant! Laughing

Just a thought....

So how much did you pay for dat Summicron? Nice, nice, lens. Cool

Bill


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
Gosh, Lens Dabbler, it looks like you used Velvia in these last shots! Laughing


I thought of the same thing!
Part was the daylight, very warm.
Part it's that the Leica lenses really look much filmlike even on digital. For some reason.

Katastrofo wrote:
So how much did you pay for dat Summicron? Nice, nice, lens. Cool


Would you believe if I said 120 Euros for this last series model?
Yet it's true.
That was my second copy, the first one I have paid more typical price (around 200+, can't remember exactly).
The 120 Euros copy is better, the other one is funny wide open, but I sort of like it for dreamy imagery. So I can't decide myself on selling it.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here's a "dreamy" sample from the other copy:

http://www.orio.ws/temp/bardi_070409_part1/slides/bardi_20070409_0045.html

and another one, even "dreamier":

http://www.orio.ws/temp/bardi_070409_part1/slides/bardi_20070409_0046.html

The second copy is completely different wide open.
I have no idea of what's going on with the first copy, it's really out of whack. Probably needs some Leica engineers' good medicine.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fantastic!


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
Fantastic!


Now you see why I can't sell it.
There must be something wrong with the lens alignment or something, it's a 50mm yet the highlight bokeh circles look like rugby balls.
And it really vignettes wide open -here I corrected it- the other Summicron does not vignette at all - and it's the same type of lens, 50mm last series.
But even with all that, it makes images that I would not know how to make so convincingly in any other way.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, that would be a lens to give up only after you're dead....unless you
wanted it buried with you! Laughing


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
Yes, that would be a lens to give up only after you're dead....unless you
wanted it buried with you! Laughing


I was actually thinking some days ago, I would like to donate my lens collection to the city library, with the obligation that they must teach photography courses to the school students, and that the students can borrow them and try them during the lessons, to be able to use lenses that they or their families may not be able to afford buying.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Noble and worthy offering!


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Katastrofo wrote:
Yes, that would be a lens to give up only after you're dead....unless you
wanted it buried with you! Laughing


I was actually thinking some days ago, I would like to donate my lens collection to the city library, with the obligation that they must teach photography courses to the school students, and that the students can borrow them and try them during the lessons, to be able to use lenses that they or their families may not be able to afford buying.


In this case I might move to Italy and go back to school again.
But since you will only donate that after your death, I'm not sure if I will be able to do so. (You know, I plan to reach 100!)


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Orio wrote:
Nikkor lenses = warmer than reality
Zeiss lenses = the most accurate colours
Leica lenses = colder than reality


Yes, I've heard this before.

I guess this is due to three aspects:
1) Very often films produced a little oversaturated and pretty warm results. Leica tried to compensate that.
2) With b&w photography "cooler colour-rendition" can be advantageous.
3) Japanese customers (and most American mainstream photographers, btw.) tradionally have preferred warm and saturated ("vivid") colours in their photos. So Nikon reacted to that.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've heard it said that when Canon and Nikon started to make lenses,
Canon tried to produce lenses like Zeiss and Nikon, like Leica. Has
anyone else heard of this?


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Katastrofo wrote:
I've heard it said that when Canon and Nikon started to make lenses,
Canon tried to produce lenses like Zeiss and Nikon, like Leica. Has
anyone else heard of this?


No and it's completely ungrounded. The first Nikkor lenses are often direct copies of Zeiss models. Like the 1.8/85, just to name one - it's a copy of the Biogon 75, and the 2.5/105 first version, is a Sonnar scheme, just like the 3.5/135.


PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Took me awhile to find it, but this is one of the places I've read this. She
does call it a "mythology."

http://www.photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/ZeissContaflexIV.html


PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:29 am    Post subject: Leatherett finish Biometar 120mm f/2.8 Reply with quote


PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Whoa, it looks much nicer than the Zebra one!

I really would like to know the insane guy in the Jena/Pentacon/Meyer environment who first had the idea of the Zebra design, Shocked Laughing !


PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing
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