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cilinderman wrote:
Hi everyone!
I received an offer to buy 5 Rolls Velvia 50 120 for 13,50 GBP and another offer to buy 5 Rolls Velvia 50 220 for 11,50 GBP.... Is this normal? Why for receiving the double of photos is cheaper?
Thx!
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Nesster wrote:
There are fewer cameras that can take 220 film, as it has no paper backing.
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bob955i wrote:
Fuji also discontinued 220 film around the end of last year which is probably why I'm seeing a glut of unsold 220 backs for RB67s on my nearest proper camera shop's site.
The P6 can use 220 film but I've read that it's not great re the handling. I have a P6 myself but have never used 220 as I never really saw the advantage in it and it was easier to get 120. |
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luisalegria wrote:
I also bought a couple of packs of expired 220 film.
You do get twice the film, but you have to be careful re light leaks (advice-put electrical tape over the red window, even if these have a sliding cover - the cover is not light-proof). I find that 220 works fine with no leaks on the Speed Graphic 120 back and in a Rolleiflex. I got no leaks on my Ansco Speedex (Agfa Isolette) or Zeiss Nettar after taping.
In many cameras meant for 120, though you can 'fool" them into using film beyond the length of 120, you may get fewer "extra shots. On the Rolleiflex you can go beyond the counter but with excess space between frames. On old folders you have to count the turns of the film winder of course. The spacing will depend on judgement
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cilinderman
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cilinderman wrote:
Thx! So as I'm not really experiencied with 120 and 220 film yet, I'll get the 120 one. It's for Yashica Mat 124G and it can take 220 films if pushing the backplate.
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Nesster wrote:
Oh you have the 124G - on my bucket list is "try a roll of 220 in the 124G"  but it's not near the top 
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Attila wrote:
Thank you too! I also knew nothing from 220 films.
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Sevo wrote:
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| Fuji also discontinued 220 film around the end of last year |
They discontinued Neopan in 220 (but IIRC much longer than a year ago - it is more probable that the last old stock expired by the end of last year), but Velvia in 220 is still in their catalogs, at least in Japan and Germany.
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bob955i
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bob955i wrote:
One of my suppliers indicated on their website that Fuji had discontinued all 220 production but it appears that you're correct after a bit of Googling on my part.
Some emulsions have been discontinued and some remain although there's still a wider choice in 120. |
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Farside wrote:
I've still to finish off my first roll of 220 in my P6, but it's handled it ok so far. Of course, spacing issues and the like won't be apparent until I process it. I get the impression that 220 handling was a bit of a tacked-on feature.
Ditto the M645, but the proper insert is in place and the camera was built for it.
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Laurence wrote:
Yashica Mat 124 handles 220 with no problems at all.
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As some of you know, my first MF camera was a P6, so I thought being able to use 220 film was normal (imagine my surprise the other day, when the film counter of my Kiev-60, after 12 shots, went into "K" and never moved beyond that, despite my having put in a 220 film in there by mistake ).
So far I have not purchased any new film, ever since going back to film just a few months ago; they're all expired film I got for cheap or free, so I use what I have, and one of those is Fuji NPS160s that came in 220. I do like being able to use 220 on my P6 because the cost of developing film at Dwayne's Photo where I send my MF film to get processed, is the same for 220 as it is for 120 (that includes having the film scanned; same additional price for 220 as for 120). Since I've never had my film printed––I get them on CDs or scan them myself––getting 24+ shots for the same mony as 12 shots is very nice.
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cilinderman wrote:
Thanks for all your replies!
So for someone as noobie as me, is it the same handling 120 film and 220 film? What should I choose?
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Attila wrote:
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Thanks for all your replies!
So for someone as noobie as me, is it the same handling 120 film and 220 film? What should I choose? |
Did you mean what camera ?
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Since you're using the 124G, either 120 or 220 will do.
120 gives you 12 exposures on 6x6 and 220 gives 24.
I'd suggest starting out with the 120 if you've not used a TLR before so you can check your results quicker by taking notes of aperture, shutter speed and type of lighting etc for that roll then having it developed.
It's a good test for the camera and is good practice for you so you can get consistent results. |
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koji wrote:
220 gives you more flat film base than 120's which has paper backing
that causes more warped film in the transport mechanism. Otherwise
you can chose depending on your preference of short or long film IMO.
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Since you're using the 124G, either 120 or 220 will do.
120 gives you 12 exposures on 6x6 and 220 gives 24.
I'd suggest starting out with the 120 if you've not used a TLR before so you can check your results quicker by taking notes of aperture, shutter speed and type of lighting etc for that roll then having it developed.
It's a good test for the camera and is good practice for you so you can get consistent results. |
Spot on.... I started with 120 on my 124G but now use 220 as I know what to expect from the exposures (have used only velvia 50 in 220). Works out much cheaper too.
Check this out http://www.fujilab.co.uk/catalog/
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Cobalt60 wrote:
5 Velvia 50 for 11,5 GBP??? Do they ship to the continent, too ?
Have both backs available for my Bronica equipment and
never had any issues with 220 films (of course it's handy
to have exchangeable back and not to have to shoot all
30 pix (like with a P6) of the same until switching ...)
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5 Velvia 50 for 11,5 GBP??? Do they ship to the continent, too ?
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They do now, for sure. Started doing it in February, iirc.
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Attila wrote:
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5 Velvia 50 for 11,5 GBP??? Do they ship to the continent, too ?
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They do now, for sure. Started doing it in February, iirc. |
Shipping cost is double than normal 15 GBP.
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Farside wrote:
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5 Velvia 50 for 11,5 GBP??? Do they ship to the continent, too ?
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They do now, for sure. Started doing it in February, iirc. |
Shipping cost is double than normal 15 GBP. |
It would need to be a worthwhile size of order, in that case. That's a pain in the ass.
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Cobalt60 wrote:
Would you mind telling me the address (if it's an online shop)? 
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Attila wrote:
http://www.fujilab.co.uk/catalog/
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Thanks Attila!
Just ordered a bunch ...
20 Velvia 50 (220) films at 3,10€ each (incl p&p) is A STEAL!
Over here a 120 Velvia 50 is around 4 € ... the 220 a ridiculous 12€!
So more than worth a deal for my favourite slide film ....
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Attila wrote:
I am glad I did even more better bargain from Ebay, my freezer is full I think I have 60-80 rolls of films. So I did pass this great opportunity, but hard to let them go...
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