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iangreenhalgh1
 Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 16134
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:54 am Post subject: Lens for landscapes? |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Hi folks
I'm having a nightmare finding a really good lens for landscape use with my EOS DSLR.
I've tried a lot of cheap options and they all disappoint:
Vivitar/Komine 2.8/28 - have two copies, both are not great, flares too much and just overall isn't that good.
Ensinor/Clubman 2.8/28 - also have two copies, not too bad, fairly sharp but flares way too much, not good enough
Pentacon 2.8/28 - again, two copies, a decent lens but not stellar, has a nice vintage look but not what I'm seeking for landscapes.
Meyer Lydith 3.5/30 - another decent lens but seems to not be really sharp and needs a deep hood
Hoya HMC 2.8/28 - good lens, pretty sharp, good coatings give it good contrast and it handles flare very well, this is the best 28mm I have and the one I'm using for my landscpae work currently.
I have a host of 35mm lenses too, but again, no stellar ones and they aren't wide enough on my APS-C sensor camera.
So I want a really good, stellar performing wide angle for landscape work on my EOS.
I'm hoping there will be some other suggestions besides 'get a Flektogon' lol
Over to you guys... _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Geoff C. Bassett
 Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Posts: 161 Location: Chatham, MA
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:08 am Post subject: |
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Geoff C. Bassett wrote:
Nikon 28mm series E? Razor sharp @4 and above _________________ Opticlust.com |
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iangreenhalgh1
 Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 16134
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:22 am Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Cheers Geoff.
Doesn't have to be a 28mm lens, I'm open to all options, even a zoom lens.
Just don't want to accumulate any more dissappointing lenses, already have loads, now I want just a few really stellar ones. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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David
 Joined: 13 Apr 2011 Posts: 1871 Location: Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:01 am Post subject: |
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David wrote:
I have a Focal lens in M42 that is also available in CF mount, and it's amazingly crisp. Here's an album with the lens and photos I took with it:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102333270936007447976/Focal28mm?authkey=Gv1sRgCJvmmY2d0Pa-5gE
Here are three photos I took with it:
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IAZA
 Joined: 16 Apr 2010 Posts: 2592 Location: Indonesia
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:14 am Post subject: |
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IAZA wrote:
You have good lenses in value/price. Demanding better than what you have now, you need to raise budget too,
I have Flektogon 25/4 which is sharp and the price is lower than flek 20mm, but I prefer to use Schneider Kreuznach Curtagon 28/4 'coz it's more compact.
I heard yashica ml 28mm is good but I never tried, yet. _________________ nex5, Olympus EPM1, yashica half 14, Canon eos 650 want to see samples of mine? please click My lenses
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Willem
 Joined: 08 Jun 2011 Posts: 286 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Willem wrote:
maybe S-M-C Takumar 3.5/24 ?
these were all shot on Canon 500D
http://forum.mflenses.com/super-multi-coated-takumar-3-5-24-m42-t40919.html _________________
www.willemvs.wordpress.com
Canon EOS 500D, Canon Powershot SX10IS, 2 x Asahi Pentax spotmatic F, iPod touch
AF lenses:
Canon 18-55 kit lens, Canon 1.8/50mm, Canon EF 85 1.8 USM, Canon EF-S 10-22
MF lenses:
SMC Takumar 1.8/55 (2x)
S-M-C Takumars 3.5/24, 3.5/28, 3.5/35, 4/50 Macro, 4/100 Macro, 2.5/135 (v2), 4/200
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Excalibur
 Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 5041 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Excalibur wrote:
You don't have to use a very WA lens for landscapes, so I suggest to include the Tak 35mm f3.5, or a handy zoom is a Vivitar 28-105, it's very good at the 28mm end for sharpness but probably more expensive for a M42 ver.
Other 28mm lens for a cheap price to add to your collection? Then my original Tamron 28mm f2.8 is showing promise, but haven't tried mine yet for landscapes, so it you see it going cheap it's worth a punt, same for the Makinon 28mm f2.8.
I can use Canon FD and Konica Hexanon lenses on a film camera so don't have your problem for quality  _________________ Canon A1, AV1, T70 & T90, EOS 300 and EOS300v, Chinon CE and CP-7M. Contax 139, Fuji STX-2, Konica Autoreflex TC, FS-1, FT-1, Minolta X-700, X-300, XD-11, SRT101b, Nikon EM, FM, F4, F90X, Olympus OM2, Pentax S3, Spotmatic, Pentax ME super, Praktica TL 5B, & BC1, , Ricoh KR10super, Yashica T5D, Bronica Etrs, Mamiya RB67 pro AND drum roll:- a Sony Nex 3
.........past gear Tele Rolleiflex and Rollei SL66.
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walter g
 Joined: 20 Feb 2010 Posts: 2464 Location: NC, USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: |
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walter g wrote:
I've got the Vivitar, Kiron, 28 2.5, but I haven't tested it on landscapes yet. I think some of the other members have. _________________
Main cameras
Panasonic G5,Nikon J1,Pentax Q10,Sony Nex 6
Minolta MC W SI 2.5/28, MD 2.8/28, MC W SG 3.5/28, MC Celtic 3.5/28, MC W HG 2.8/35, MD Celtic 2.8/35, QE 4/35, Rokkor X 2/45, MC Rokkor X PG 1.4/50, MC Rokkor X PG 1.7/50, MD Rokkor X 1.7/50, MD 2/50, MC Rokkor PF 1.7/55, MC Rokkor PF 1.9/55, Auto Tele Rokkor PG 2.8/135, MC Tele Rokkor QD 3.5/135, TC 4/135, MC Celtic 4/200, MC Tele Rokkor PE 4.5/200
MD 28-70 f3.5-4.8, MD Macro 35-70 f3.5, Md 70-210 f4, MD Rokkor X 75-200 f4.5, MD 100-200 f5.6
Nikon Nikkor 4/20, O Auto 2/35, S Auto 1.4/50..... Miranda Auto 2.8/28, Auto 2.8/35, Auto 1.4/50, Auto EC 1.4/50, Auto 1.8/50, Auto EC 1.8/50,Auto 1.9/50, Auto 3.5/135
Various Soligor,Sun,Fujita,Komura,Spitatone, etc. Lenses
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NikonD
 Joined: 29 Jul 2008 Posts: 1916 Location: Slovenija
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:11 am Post subject: |
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NikonD wrote:
nikkor 28/2.8 and nikkor 28/3.5 are great _________________ Nikon Z6II
Samyang: 14/2.8, 85/1.4
Nikkor: TC-14B, AI 16/3.5, AI 24/2.8, AI 28/2.8, AI 35/2, AI 50/1.4, AI-S 55/2.8 micro, H 85/1.8, P 105/2.5, AI-S 105/2.8 micro, AI 135/2.8, AI-S 180/2.8 ED, AI 200/4, AI-S 300/4.5 ED, AI-S 80-200/4, E 75-150/3.5
Tamron: SP 90/2.5, 35-135/3.5-4.5
Tokina: RMC 17/3.5
Hexanon: 24/2.8, 50/1.7, 100/2.8, 135/2.5, 200/3.5
M42: Zeiss Sonnar 135/3.5, Pentacon 200/4
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poilu
 Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10571 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:21 am Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
take any 50mm and make panorama _________________ T* |
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martinsmith99
 Joined: 31 Aug 2008 Posts: 6966 Location: S Glos, UK
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:20 am Post subject: |
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martinsmith99 wrote:
I tend to shoot landscapes with short to middle tele lenses on FF/film. i gues if you like wider lenses, depending on budget, I would go for a 24mm Takumar or 24mm Ensinor if the budget is tight. I think they're about equal on digital, but the Tak wins on film (no idea why).
I have to say that I have a good copy of the Lydith and it looks as sharp as my 35mm Flektogon, but the contrast is lower (maybe a contrast boost in PP would change your mind about it). _________________ No longer here |
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ManualFocus-G
 Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6674 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:30 am Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Yashica ML 28/2.8 is excellent. Nikons are also excellent, the 24/2.8 is stellar but will need at least £100.00. Flektogons have never really impressed me for landscape (corners never seem to be good).
Best choice? CZ Distagon 28/2.8. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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trifox
 Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3634 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
Best choice in f=28mm?
Yes, Graham is right!
Contax Distagon 2.8/28 razor sharp, perfect rendering .
Never disappointing lens.
tf _________________ Flickr.com |
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WolverineX
 Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Posts: 1695 Location: Zagreb , Croatia , Europe
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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WolverineX wrote:
try nikkor 20mm/4 _________________ my tools:Oly E-M5 + 45mm/1.8 + Oly E-520 + 12-60 + 14-42 + 70-300 + Sigma 105mm + FL-50R + EC20 + SRF-11 ring flash
http://forum.mflenses.com/wolverinex-testing-my-lenses-series-link-list-t39524.html |
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ManualFocus-G
 Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6674 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
WolverineX wrote: |
try nikkor 20mm/4 |
+1 _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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fuzzywuzzy
 Joined: 18 Dec 2010 Posts: 1259 Location: Down East, Canada, eh?
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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fuzzywuzzy wrote:
I'll put in a vote for pano software, I found Hugin amazingly easy to use.
http://hugin.sourceforge.net
The SMC Takumar 28/3.5 has a good rep and seems relatively cheap. f/3.5 is pretty slow for a prime, but outside that's plenty fast.
Mine is the non-multicoated super tak version and it is sharp, but of course will flare if you're not careful.
I'd love to show you my excellent landscape shots with the lens, but it's been a crazy summer so far and I've only got boring shots of the kids
My other 28mm is a Rikenon EE 28/2.8, and it's nicely sharp indoors or close up, but falters somewhat at infinity. I've only even seen this lens listed on Ebay once, i.e. the time I bought it, and googling rikennon EE returns very little, I don't think this is a common lens at all. samples here.
The google power of this site is amazing, my test shots are the #1 hit for this lens  _________________ I welcome C&C, editing my pics and reposting them on the forum is fine.
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CZJ Sonnar 135/4, Biotar 58/2, Pancolar 50/2, Tessar 50/2.8, Flek 35/2.8, Flek 25/4
Super Takumar 135/2.5, 135/3.5, 100/4 bellows, 50/1.4, 28/3.5
Helios 58/2, 3M-5A 500/8, Mir 20M
Vivitar Series 1 70-210 - - - - - - - - Nikkor 200/4
Rikenon 28/2.8 - - - - - - - - Zeiss 50/1.7 Planar
PB 50/2.4, 135/2.8
Yashica 50/1.9, 28/2.8, 135/2.8
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Attila
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
poilu wrote: |
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+10 _________________ -------------------------------
Items on sale on Ebay
Sony NEX-7 Carl Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, Minolta MD 35mm f1.8, Konica 135mm f2.5, Minolta MD 50mm f1.2, Minolta MD 250mm f5.6, Carl Zeiss Sonnar 180mm f2.8
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iangreenhalgh1
 Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 16134
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Thanks for all the suggestions guys. I already have the 24mm Ensinor suggested, but mine is branded 'Exaktar' not tried it yet cos it's in FD mount, might pass it on to an FD user. I also have a 24mm lens in Fuji AX mount, not tried that either, but it's another Jap cheapie.
I have been using photoshop to combine images to make panoramas, it works well, but I'm now doing HDR panoramas and shooting 9 shots per image than combining the lot is a real ballache, I would prefer to use a wide angle for the HDR work for this reason.
I think what I need to do is save my pennies until I have enough for a really stellar lens like a Distagon. in the meantime I will soldier on with my Hoya 2.8/28 and Meyer Lydith.
I have three 35mm lenses that deserve more use - Meyer Primagon which is very good, Petri 2.8/35 which I need to finish converting to EOS and hopefully is superb like the 55mm Petris I have, and a Canon FL 2.5/35 I need to get Stan to repair after I botched the conversion.
I do have a few 50mm lenses that are pretty good - Tessar 1Q 2.8/50, Meyer Oreston 1.8/50, Olympus Zuiko 1.8/50, Helios 44M-4, Petri 1.8/55 all spring to mind.
Here are some examples of my panoramas to date, these all use the Meyer Lydith 3.5/30:
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Lloydy
 Joined: 02 Sep 2009 Posts: 7729 Location: Ironbridge. UK.
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Lloydy wrote:
I keep going back to my Vivitar S1 24-48 3.8 zoom, I like the range, and I love the performance of the lens.
My Takumar 28 is very good as well, as is the Pentacon 30 I have. The Takumar is probably the sharpest, but I like the zoom of the Vivitar.
Those are nice pano's Ian, I like those a lot. _________________ LENSES & CAMERAS FOR SALE.....
I have loads of stuff that I have to get rid of, if you see me commenting about something I have got and you want one, ask me.
My Flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/mudplugga/
My ipernity -
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iangreenhalgh1
 Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 16134
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Cheers mate. I haven't tested the Lydith properly, just used it for landscapes so it might be sharper and better than I think.
I tried the Ensinor 2.8/28 out yesterday and the big problem is the flare, I forgot to use a lens hood which didn't help, but I had to do a lot of PP on this pano to reduce the flare artifacts, if you look at the left hand side it's all fuzzy due to flare. I have tested this Ensinor and it's not a bad lens, but I think it's weak at infinity and has crappy coatings. It's alright for other subjects but I would call it merely decent to good rather than really good.
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ManualFocus-G
 Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6674 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Nice panos, the last one in particularly is really vibrant. _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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rbelyell
 Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Posts: 4286 Location: somewhere in the mountains of central NY
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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rbelyell wrote:
L i dont know how much you want to spend, but the yashica ml 24/2.8 is a real gem, sharp, fast (if needed) and low distortion. it has gotten good reviews on this forum from others as well.
if you want cheaper but still good, i agree with graham about the yashica ml 28/2.8. i dont think you can do much better for the price.
i also really like the mir 35/2.0 for landscapes. i am personally not a fan of 50mm panos.
if you find yourself interested in either yashica, i have one of each i would consider selling, as i have 2 copies of the 24mm and because i use the 24 so much, i dont use the 28mm. _________________ Epson RD1 + Elmarit 21/2.8; Summarit 50/1.5; Summarit 75/2.5; Elmar-c 90/4; Sankyo Komura 135/2.8, Hektor 135/4.5; Braun Paxina 29 6x6; Photax Boyer Paris; Holga 120 Pano
GREAT STUFF FOR SALE:
Contax T
Hasselblad XPan + 45/4, 90/4
Kodak Retina Reflex IV + full set of Schneider Krueznach lenses
Mercury 2 half frame 35mm
Kodak Pro slr/n
Fuji GM670+100/3.5+65/8!
Praktisix 6x6 medium format + ZeissBiometar 120/2.8
Bessa T 101 Anniversary Edition in Navy Blue
Mamiya Six Folder with Zuiko 75/3.5
Adaptall: Tamron SP 28-85 macro
Cameras: Canon IX
PM for more complete descriptions/pix. All in great shape!
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visualopsins
 Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 9959 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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visualopsins wrote:
+1 M42 Takumar 3.5/24 is my favorite wide on APS-C
Tamron SP 3.5/17
Lower cost options (for sale if interest):
Spiratone 18mm Rectilinear -- Three Versions
Spiratone YS 1:3.5 f=18mm
Spiratone YS 1:3.2 f=18mm
Spiratone examples:
No name super-wide lens _________________ ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮ like attracts like! ☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮☮
Cameras: Sony A7Rii, Spotmatics II, F, and ESII, Nikon P4
M42 Asahi Optical Co., Lenses:
Takumar 1:4 f=35mm, 1:2 f=58mm (Sonnar), 1:2.4 f=58mm (Heliar), 1:2.2 f=55mm (Gaussian), 1:2.8 f=105mm (Model I), 1:2.8/105 (Model II), 1:5.6/200
Tele-Takumar 1:5.6/200, 1:6.3/300
Macro-Takumar 1:4/50
Auto-Takumar 1:2.3 f=35, 1:1.8 f=55mm, 1:2.2 f=55mm
Super-TAKUMAR 1:3.5/28 (fat), 1:2/35 (Fat), 1:1.4/50 (8-element),
Super-Multi-Coated Fisheye-TAKUMAR 1:4/17
Super-Multi-Coated TAKUMAR 1:4.5/20, 1:3.5/24, 1:3.5/28, 1:2/35, 1:3.5/35, 1:1.8/85, 1:1.9/85 1:2.8/105, 1:3.5/135, 1:2.5/135 (II), 1:4/150, 1:4/200, 1:4/300, 1:4.5/500
Super-Multi-Coated Macro-TAKUMAR 1:4/50, 1:4/100
Super-Multi-Coated Bellows-TAKUMAR 1:4/100
SMC TAKUMAR 1:1.4/50, 1:1.8/55
Other lenses:
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.4/35
SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:3.5 35~105mm, SMC PENTAX ZOOM 1:4 45~125mm
Nikon Micro-NIKKOR-P-C Auto 1:3.5 f=55mm, NIKKOR-P Auto 105mm f/2.5 Pre-AI (Sonnar), Micro-NIKKOR 105mm 1:4 AI, NIKKOR AI-S 35-135mm f/3,5-4,5
Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51B), Tamron SP 17mm f/3.5 (51BB), SP 500mm f/8 (55BB), SP 70-210mm f/3.5 (19AH) |
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Arninetyes
 Joined: 24 Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Arninetyes wrote:
WolverineX wrote: |
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+1
Or the Nikkor 20/3.5 Ais.
Others suggested the Nikkors 28/2.8 and 28/3.5. But the 28/2.8 needs to be an Ais; the Ai wasn't so great.
On the other hand, my favorite 28mm landscape lens from Nikon is the Nikkor 28/2 Ai. It does everything well, and is a bit nicer at landscapes (but not quite as nice closeup) as the 28/2.8 Ais. |
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iangreenhalgh1
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Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Thanks guys. The Yashica MLs or Nikkors would probably satisfy my needs. As someone stated earlier I need to increase my budget to get a stellar lens as I've pretty much explored the cheaper options.
I need to rationalise my existing lens collection before adding to it, I have too many cheap lenses and need to sell all but the keepers to finance purchasing some better pieces.
I also need to thoroughly test some of the lenses I already have so I can decide what to keep and what to get rid of.
I shot some panos with my Hoya HMC 2.8/28 today, I used an extremely deep lens hood I cunningly fashioned from a 1ukp rubber sink plunger. I think this lens does pretty well at this type of work so whatever I buy to replace it needs to be better than this, obviously!
P.S. Before you ask, yes I did wade 100m down that river with my camera/tripod over my shoulder to take the bridge shots. It was only knee deep, usually it's several feet deeper so I took the opportunity while it was shallow. Sadly I accidentally deleted half of the shots I took in the river so I'll have to go get wet again...
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