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Orio
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 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: Pinhole Cameras |
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I make this sticky thread because I think that Pinhole Cameras are an important part of the manual photographic experience and they deserve a special room inside the Film Cameras forum.
So I invite the Pinhole Camera users to report about their instruments and results here. I don't have a pinhole camera but I am personally much interested in them, and I am looking forward to see your pinhole camera results here.
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007
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Location: Vantaa, Finland
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Pinhole Cameras |
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| Orio wrote: | I make this sticky thread because I think that Pinhole Cameras are an important part of the manual photographic experience and they deserve a special room inside the Film Cameras forum.
So I invite the Pinhole Camera users to report about their instruments and results here. I don't have a pinhole camera but I am personally much interested in them, and I am looking forward to see your pinhole camera results here. |
What about digital pinhole cameras? A 5D with an optimally dimensioned pinhole will produce quite decent results, comparable to non-optimal 6x6 pinhole photos, and with much less fuss. Here is an example:
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Ballu
Joined: 28 Feb 2007
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Location: Columbus, OH. USofA
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Orio for this thread. I was about to send a mail almost on this line to you and Attila (wait.. will be getting).
@ Veijo: Thanks for results. I slipped into this black hole of MF by browsing your site. So, I always look towards your work, if I want to dig the technicalities in MF art (again its an art, just anti-thesis of Photoshop ). 
How do calculate the Circle of Confusion (DoF meter to me.. as defining DoF in real numbers is not something I like.. its creating more confusion to me)? And how to make the hole for Pinhole camera (esp for APS-C sensor)?
Any good pointer on web, your site and some words from your exp... |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007
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Location: High Wycombe, UK
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Pinhole Cameras |
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| vilva wrote: | | ....an optimally dimensioned pinhole... |
Hello Veijo, I'm a fan of your site too! Because of your beautiful pictures I am planning to visit Helsinki sometime soon to see the Lutheran Cathedral and the harbour, as well as many other places in the Baltic area.
This pinhole picture is fascinating. Could you explain how you adapted the camera, the exposure time and so on? Thanks.
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Orio
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. What a DOF!
You win as always, Veijo. 
I have opened a Pinhole-dedicated sticky thread on the Digital Cameras forum, too.
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DSLR: Canon EOS 5D, 50D. SLR: Contax AX, RX, 167MT; Voigtländer Bessaflex TM; Praktica FX2; Nikon FM2, F70.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Kiev-4, Voigtlaender Bessa-T, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta, Agfa Record II.
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vilva
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Ballu wrote: | | And how to make the hole for Pinhole camera (esp for APS-C sensor)? |
Well, the size of the pinhole doesn't at all depend on the size of the sensor, just on the distance between the pinhole and the sensor. For a distance of about 45 mm the optimum size is roughly 0.25 mm, i.e. f/180. I didn't make my own pinhole but got a ready-made EOS bodycap pinhole from eBay, see my next posting.
An APS-C sensor isn't very suitable for pinhole photography because it is much smaller than an FF sensor, the angle of view is narrower and the resolution much lower, only about 40% of the FF resolution. The above photo taken with a crop camera would look roughly like this:
The lights were rather dim in the room (much dimmer than in the photo), and I exposed 90 s at ISO 1600, but I had to push more than one stop during post-processing in order to get a nice looking photo so I guess 240 s would have been better.
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vilva
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: Pinhole Cameras |
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| peterqd wrote: | | vilva wrote: | | ....an optimally dimensioned pinhole... |
Hello Veijo, I'm a fan of your site too! Because of your beautiful pictures I am planning to visit Helsinki sometime soon to see the Lutheran Cathedral and the harbour, as well as many other places in the Baltic area. |
Thanks That's a good idea idea, Helsinki and Tallinn, maybe St. Petersburg, too.
| Quote: | | This pinhole picture is fascinating. Could you explain how you adapted the camera, the exposure time and so on? Thanks. |
I had a commercial 0.25 mm bodycap pinhole mounted on an EOS 5D, no adaptation necessary, see the photo below. Exposure time 90 s at ISO 1600, but it ought to have been 240 s for better results - now I had to increase the exposure during PP.
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vilva
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Orio wrote: | | Wow. What a DOF! |
The squares on the chess board are about 25 mm wide, and the chess pieces are from 30 to about 45 mm tall. The nearest piece was about 10 cm from the pinhole (if I remember correctly), and the distance to the bookshelf is about 160cm.
| Quote: | | You win as always, Veijo. |
Well, not always, you've got some nice photos yourself, too
| Quote: | | I have opened a Pinhole-dedicated sticky thread on the Digital Cameras forum, too. |
Fine, thanks,
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Ballu
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: Last Sunday in April is Pinhole day... |
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http://www.pinholeday.org/
from Site:
"What is Pinhole Day?
Anyone, anywhere in the world, who makes a pinhole photograph on the last Sunday in April, can scan it and upload it to this website where it will become part of the annual Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day celebration's online gallery.
The last Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day was celebrated around the planet on April 30, 2006...."
I dont have any experience in this field.. trying to get some knowledge/information.. but want to see some results from members... |
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vilva
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Last Sunday in April is Pinhole day... |
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| Ballu wrote: |
I dont have any experience in this field.. trying to get some knowledge/information.. but want to see some results from members... |
See http://galactinus.net/vilva/pinhole/
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Bob
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Here are a few ready made pinhole cameras. These are from Freestyle.
http://www.freestylephoto.biz/sc_main.php?cat_id=2203
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Attila
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This is our new member Laszlo's site! Enjoy !
http://see.yourweb.de/digitalpinhole/
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F16SUNSHINE
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I currently do not shoot digital but rather black and white film and infra red. One of my more consistent pinhole tricks has to do more with subject than technique. Mounting an extention tube and creating a "longer focal length" to shoot landscapes has been quite happy at times. My best shots have come from using gaffers tape to attach a 720nm filter on front of pinhole cap and shoot Rollie/Maco infrared in 35mm or 6x7. The exposures run 2 to even 10 minutes sometimes shorter depending on the effect desired. The odd tones from the IR actually work fantastic with the soft focus from the pinhole iris. Shooting long expanses of water such as river or tidal areas looks amazingly dreamy especially with clouds working for you. I don't have a scanner at home but will try and post some samples soon. Lately while drooling for a 5D I have come accross a company called LifePixel. They do modifications for digital cams to shoot in IR (remove hotmirror and replace with new filter or clear glass). According to there info the IR mirror installed on most sensors does let IR thrue only minute and slowly. Maybe someone who has a FF or Crop cam would try some extended monochrome exposures with a 720nm filter and see if this could work similarly. The exposure time may be quite long. Hopefully noise will not surface as a problem. I am new to this forum and so far really enjoy the company. Thankyou all!!
Andy
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vilva
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| vilva wrote: | | Just to show what kind of image quality can be obtained with a 6x6 pinhole camera, good film (Fuji Neopan 100 Acros) and some post-processing, |
Veijo, these are simply AMAZING. I don't think I ever saw better pinhole photos anywhere.
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ХОРИОС-61 ( ώρεος ) : Lens sana in corpore sano
Main Tools:
LENSES: Carl Zeiss, Leitz, Soviet, old Nikkors, others.
DSLR: Canon EOS 5D, 50D. SLR: Contax AX, RX, 167MT; Voigtländer Bessaflex TM; Praktica FX2; Nikon FM2, F70.
RANGEFINDERS: Contax G2, Kiev-4, Voigtlaender Bessa-T, Canonette QL17. MEDIUM FORMAT: Pentacon 6, Zeiss Super Ikonta, Agfa Record II.
Read Full List HERE
www.timelessphotography.eu
www.oriofoto.net
"Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. " (George Orwell)
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