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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: Pinhole Cameras |
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Orio wrote:
I make this sticky thread because I think that Pinhole Cameras are an important part of the manual photographic experience and they deserve a special room inside the Film Cameras forum.
So I invite the Pinhole Camera users to report about their instruments and results here. I don't have a pinhole camera but I am personally much interested in them, and I am looking forward to see your pinhole camera results here. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Pinhole Cameras |
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vilva wrote:
Orio wrote: |
I make this sticky thread because I think that Pinhole Cameras are an important part of the manual photographic experience and they deserve a special room inside the Film Cameras forum.
So I invite the Pinhole Camera users to report about their instruments and results here. I don't have a pinhole camera but I am personally much interested in them, and I am looking forward to see your pinhole camera results here. |
What about digital pinhole cameras? A 5D with an optimally dimensioned pinhole will produce quite decent results, comparable to non-optimal 6x6 pinhole photos, and with much less fuss. Here is an example:
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Ballu
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 912 Location: Columbus, OH. USofA
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Ballu wrote:
Thanks Orio for this thread. I was about to send a mail almost on this line to you and Attila (wait.. will be getting).
@ Veijo: Thanks for results. I slipped into this black hole of MF by browsing your site. So, I always look towards your work, if I want to dig the technicalities in MF art (again its an art, just anti-thesis of Photoshop ).
How do calculate the Circle of Confusion (DoF meter to me.. as defining DoF in real numbers is not something I like.. its creating more confusion to me)? And how to make the hole for Pinhole camera (esp for APS-C sensor)?
Any good pointer on web, your site and some words from your exp... |
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peterqd
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 7448 Location: near High Wycombe, UK
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Pinhole Cameras |
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peterqd wrote:
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....an optimally dimensioned pinhole... |
Hello Veijo, I'm a fan of your site too! Because of your beautiful pictures I am planning to visit Helsinki sometime soon to see the Lutheran Cathedral and the harbour, as well as many other places in the Baltic area.
This pinhole picture is fascinating. Could you explain how you adapted the camera, the exposure time and so on? Thanks. _________________ Peter - Moderator |
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Wow. What a DOF!
You win as always, Veijo.
I have opened a Pinhole-dedicated sticky thread on the Digital Cameras forum, too. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
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And how to make the hole for Pinhole camera (esp for APS-C sensor)? |
Well, the size of the pinhole doesn't at all depend on the size of the sensor, just on the distance between the pinhole and the sensor. For a distance of about 45 mm the optimum size is roughly 0.25 mm, i.e. f/180. I didn't make my own pinhole but got a ready-made EOS bodycap pinhole from eBay, see my next posting.
An APS-C sensor isn't very suitable for pinhole photography because it is much smaller than an FF sensor, the angle of view is narrower and the resolution much lower, only about 40% of the FF resolution. The above photo taken with a crop camera would look roughly like this:
The lights were rather dim in the room (much dimmer than in the photo), and I exposed 90 s at ISO 1600, but I had to push more than one stop during post-processing in order to get a nice looking photo so I guess 240 s would have been better.
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: Pinhole Cameras |
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vilva wrote:
peterqd wrote: |
vilva wrote: |
....an optimally dimensioned pinhole... |
Hello Veijo, I'm a fan of your site too! Because of your beautiful pictures I am planning to visit Helsinki sometime soon to see the Lutheran Cathedral and the harbour, as well as many other places in the Baltic area. |
Thanks That's a good idea idea, Helsinki and Tallinn, maybe St. Petersburg, too.
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This pinhole picture is fascinating. Could you explain how you adapted the camera, the exposure time and so on? Thanks. |
I had a commercial 0.25 mm bodycap pinhole mounted on an EOS 5D, no adaptation necessary, see the photo below. Exposure time 90 s at ISO 1600, but it ought to have been 240 s for better results - now I had to increase the exposure during PP.
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Wow. What a DOF! |
The squares on the chess board are about 25 mm wide, and the chess pieces are from 30 to about 45 mm tall. The nearest piece was about 10 cm from the pinhole (if I remember correctly), and the distance to the bookshelf is about 160cm.
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You win as always, Veijo. |
Well, not always, you've got some nice photos yourself, too
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I have opened a Pinhole-dedicated sticky thread on the Digital Cameras forum, too. |
Fine, thanks,
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Ballu
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 912 Location: Columbus, OH. USofA
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: Last Sunday in April is Pinhole day... |
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Ballu wrote:
http://www.pinholeday.org/
from Site:
"What is Pinhole Day?
Anyone, anywhere in the world, who makes a pinhole photograph on the last Sunday in April, can scan it and upload it to this website where it will become part of the annual Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day celebration's online gallery.
The last Worldwide Pinhole Photography Day was celebrated around the planet on April 30, 2006...."
I dont have any experience in this field.. trying to get some knowledge/information.. but want to see some results from members... |
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: Re: Last Sunday in April is Pinhole day... |
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vilva wrote:
Ballu wrote: |
I dont have any experience in this field.. trying to get some knowledge/information.. but want to see some results from members... |
See http://galactinus.net/vilva/pinhole/
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Bob
Joined: 15 Mar 2007 Posts: 675 Location: Wentzville, Mo.
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: |
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Bob wrote:
Here are a few ready made pinhole cameras. These are from Freestyle.
http://www.freestylephoto.biz/sc_main.php?cat_id=2203 _________________ Bob
"In terms of addiction, there is nothing more powerful than men's toys."
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Attila
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 57865 Location: Hungary
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
This is our new member Laszlo's site! Enjoy !
http://see.yourweb.de/digitalpinhole/ _________________ -------------------------------
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F16SUNSHINE
Joined: 20 Aug 2007 Posts: 5486 Location: Left Coast
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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F16SUNSHINE wrote:
I currently do not shoot digital but rather black and white film and infra red. One of my more consistent pinhole tricks has to do more with subject than technique. Mounting an extention tube and creating a "longer focal length" to shoot landscapes has been quite happy at times. My best shots have come from using gaffers tape to attach a 720nm filter on front of pinhole cap and shoot Rollie/Maco infrared in 35mm or 6x7. The exposures run 2 to even 10 minutes sometimes shorter depending on the effect desired. The odd tones from the IR actually work fantastic with the soft focus from the pinhole iris. Shooting long expanses of water such as river or tidal areas looks amazingly dreamy especially with clouds working for you. I don't have a scanner at home but will try and post some samples soon. Lately while drooling for a 5D I have come accross a company called LifePixel. They do modifications for digital cams to shoot in IR (remove hotmirror and replace with new filter or clear glass). According to there info the IR mirror installed on most sensors does let IR thrue only minute and slowly. Maybe someone who has a FF or Crop cam would try some extended monochrome exposures with a 720nm filter and see if this could work similarly. The exposure time may be quite long. Hopefully noise will not surface as a problem. I am new to this forum and so far really enjoy the company. Thankyou all!!
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Just to show what kind of image quality can be obtained with a 6x6 pinhole camera, good film (Fuji Neopan 100 Acros) and some post-processing, I increased the image size of my old Tallinn pinhole photos at http://galactinus.net/vilva/pinhole/tallinn_ph.html from 730 pixel wide to 960 pixel wide. The negatives were scanned at 2400 dpi with an Epson 4990 to yield about 28 Mpixel originals, which I down-sampled and sharpened. I also prepared 1200 pixel wide versions of three photos to show the potential even more clearly:
http://galactinus.net/vilva/pinhole/tallinn_ph_files/tallinn04_1200.jpg
http://galactinus.net/vilva/pinhole/tallinn_ph_files/tallinn07_1200.jpg
http://galactinus.net/vilva/pinhole/tallinn_ph_files/tallinn09_1200.jpg
These are rather wide angle shots, the nominal "focal length" is 25 mm, the real one is probably nearer to 28mm, i.e. about half of the frame width and height (56 mm x 56 mm). The FOV corresponds roughly to a photo taken with a 11-12mm lens on a full-frame 35 mm body and cropped to a square. The perspective is correct if the photos are viewed from a distance of half the image width.
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Orio
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 29545 Location: West Emilia
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
vilva wrote: |
Just to show what kind of image quality can be obtained with a 6x6 pinhole camera, good film (Fuji Neopan 100 Acros) and some post-processing, |
Veijo, these are simply AMAZING. I don't think I ever saw better pinhole photos anywhere. _________________ Orio, Administrator
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:37 am Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Orio wrote: |
vilva wrote: |
Just to show what kind of image quality can be obtained with a 6x6 pinhole camera, good film (Fuji Neopan 100 Acros) and some post-processing, |
Veijo, these are simply AMAZING. I don't think I ever saw better pinhole photos anywhere. |
Thanks
Of course, some purist might not like the post-processing I've done, but I'm not a purist and I also want to show that pinhole photos can have a lot of photographic potential - just like the old lenses do have. If I'd show these pinhole photos at a "normal" web resolution, say 480 pixels wide, most people wouldn't even suspect that they are pinhole photos and would probably accept them as rather high quality ultra wide angle lens shots - this is the danger of the small demo photos on the web.
Just to drive home the message, here are two of the 1200 pixel wide images down-sampled to 480 pixels:
There is nothing tell-tale about these photos as the vignetting and the geometric distortion are unavoidable and would be there with any lens having the same FOV - a lens would probably have even more vignetting, much more. The shiny surfaces in the church photo are very deceiving as they create a false impression of sharpness - subconsciously you don't even expect to find very much detail in them, which gives them an aura of fidelity. This is a very useful trick of the trade
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Orio
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Both these shots are exceptional, but the second one goes directly into my absolute favorite photos that I ever saw. Total depth of field and zero architectural distortion. My dream "lens".
Did you use your "native" pinhole camera for these photos, or did you adapt a normal camera with a pinhole aperture? _________________ Orio, Administrator
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vilva
Joined: 04 Mar 2007 Posts: 785 Location: Porvoo/Borgå, Finland
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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vilva wrote:
Orio wrote: |
Both these shots are exceptional, but the second one goes directly into my absolute favorite photos that I ever saw. Total depth of field and zero architectural distortion. My dream "lens". |
Yes, a dream lens - the only problem is that for maximum image quality the FOV must be as wide as possible, which means that you ought to look at the photos from rather near in order to have a somewhat natural perspective.
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Did you use your "native" pinhole camera for these photos, or did you adapt a normal camera with a pinhole aperture? |
These photos I took with the Zero 2000. The IQ of the modified Zeiss Ikon Nettar is much lower due to the longer "focal" length which requires a larger pinhole and thus lowers the obtainable resolution. Otherwise the camera has very little effect on the IQ as long as the pinhole is properly dimensioned, clean and punched into a thin enough plate not to cause undue vignetting.
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:50 am Post subject: Interesting pinhole film camera |
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Jesito wrote:
This one has been setup from an old Agfa Clack:
http://kosara.net/photo/lochlomo.html
I thought it could be of interest... At least the article is.
Best regards,
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: Got my own pinhole! |
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Jesito wrote:
My daugther has brought me one from the US. It's a nice cardboard camera that I've to build up by myself from precut cardboard pieces.
The pinhole is punched in a tiny metal disc.
Best regards,
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
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Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
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Nesster
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 5883 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Nesster wrote:
Pinholery is fun, and I'm always impressed by the zero camera's results. They use a very short 'focal' length, and a smaller than usual pinhole to get the sharp images, I've read.
Lenox Laser sells pinholes - I've bought a SLR body cap from them, and then a pinhole for my Certo Super Sport Dolly conversion. I find Lenox's calculator and recommendation gives a slightly too large pinhole size, I wish I'd ordered a smaller one for the Certo.
Here's an image of the Brooklyn Bridge with the pinhole behind the shutter - thus the vignetting. On my second roll I put the pinhole up front, which eliminated the vignette. I think with a smaller hole there would be more detail available.
And here's the camera itself:
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Jesito
Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 5745 Location: Olivella, Catalonia, (Spain)
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:46 am Post subject: Matchbox pinhole camera |
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Jesito wrote:
For the pinhole newcomers, there is an extremely simple pinhole camera that one can build in a couple of hours with a mathcbox and a couple of extra elements...
Extremely funny!!
http://www.matchboxpinhole.com/
Jes. _________________ Jesito, Moderator
Jesito's backsack:
Zooms Sigma 70-300, Tamron 35-135 and 70-210 short, 70-210 long, 28-70 CF Macro, 35-70, 35-80, Vivitar 70-210 KA, Tamron 70-250.
Fixed Industar-50, , Tamron 24mm, Tamron 135mm, Sands Hunter 135mm, Pancolar 50mm, Volna-3, many Exakta lenses
DSLR SIGMA SD9 & SD14, EOS 5D, Sony A700 and NEXF3, Oly E-330, E-400, E-450, E-1
TLR/6x6/645 YashicaMat, Petri 6x45, Nettar, Franka Solida, Brilliant
SLR Minolta X300, Fuji STX II, Praktica VLC3, Pentax P30t, EXA500, EXA 1A, Spotmatic(2), Chinon CM-4S, Ricoh, Contax, Konica TC-X , Minolta 5000, 7000i, 3Sxi, EOS 500 and CX
Rangefinders Chinon 35EE, Konica C35 auto, Canonet 28, Yashica Lynx, FED-2, Yashica electro 35, Argus C3 & C4, Regula Cita III, Voigtlander Vitoret (many), Welta Welti-I, Kodak Signette 35, Zorki-4, Bessa-R & L, Minolta Weathermatic, olympus XA2
Compact Film Konica C35V, Voigtlander Vitorets, Canon Prima Super 105, Olympus XA2 and XA3
Compact Digital Olympus C-5050, Aiptek Slim 3000, Canon Powershot A540, Nikon 5200, SIGMA DP1s, Polaroid X530, IXUS55, Kodak 6490, Powershot G9 and G10
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amoebahydra
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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amoebahydra wrote:
My pinhole camera...
A pinhole turret mounted on a Linhof 2x3 lens board. The turret is equipped with shutter and accommodates 6 pinholes.
I have installed 0.01, 0.014, 0.02 inch pinholes, as well as two zone plates and 1 curved slit on the turret. 0.01, 0.014, and 0.02 inch pinholes are optimal for 50mm, 100mm and 200mm focal length respectively.
Photos taken with zone plate with Linhof Master Technica 2x3 and Hasselblad CFV digital back.
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Nesster
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Nesster wrote:
35mm BW400CN, pinhole on a Pentax Program Plus. Dug this out of the hard drive... _________________ -Jussi
Camera photos
Print Photographica
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cheekygeek
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cheekygeek wrote:
Anybody here use paper negatives (instead of film) in their pinhole cameras? _________________ DSLR: Pentax K-3 II, D-BG5 grip, SLR: Pentax SP500, Pentax SP, Pentax SP II, Pentax Spotmatic F, MX, ME-Super, Super Program, pZ-1
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