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taunusreiter
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Summicron 90/2 looks like 5 element Takumar?
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Nope. Canon Tele lens patented in 1960 by the great Jiro Mukai, see here: http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3066575&id=jMBjAAAAEBAJ&pg=PP1&dq=jiro-mukai#v=onepage&q&f=false
This is quite interesting because it prevented Nikon 18 years bringing a short 85/1.8 to the market. They kept with a large Gaussian 85/1.8, or the Sonnarish 105/2.5. Then they took nearly the same formular.  (Nikon F AI/AIS 85/2 1977-1995) (alike focussing helicoids, Nikon makes things reversed here...)
The Takumar 85/1.8(1.9)
was a "classic" Ernostar design, retrait from a Sonnar type. Not bad, since this design is still widely spread. But optical correction of the Canon was superior by a wide margin.
BTW, in the main diagram the Canon RF 50/1.5 is missing among the 7 elements Sonnars.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject: Nikkor 50/2 (H, H.C, K and AI) to add att Biotar/Xenon list. |
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Irrbloss wrote:
Nikkor 50/2 (H, H.C, K and AI) to add att Biotar/Xenon list.
A very common lens on the s-h market and an cheap one to. F-mount makes it usable on a lot of things using 24x36 or smaler.
Bad link or am I doing something wrong? Test this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37824513@N08/4961516527/in/set-72157623666967030
WTF, it wont even take a link?!?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Nikkor 50/2 (H, H.C, K and AI) to add att Biotar/Xenon l |
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ludoo wrote:
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Nikkor 50/2 (H, H.C, K and AI) to add att Biotar/Xenon list.
A very common lens on the s-h market and an cheap one to. F-mount makes it usable on a lot of things using 24x36 or smaler.
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Irrbloss
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Irrbloss wrote:
I dont understand what went wrong but thanks for geting it done for me!
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ludoo wrote:
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| I dont understand what went wrong but thanks for geting it done for me! |
Antispam measure, image links for the first post of a new user don't work. You'll be fine now. 
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Irrbloss
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Ahhh...well thats good to know.
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Pancolart wrote:
Beautiful chunky cemented elements that give lenses the edge: Pentacon (Meyer) 2.8/135mm and Jupiter 4/200mm.
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Pancolart wrote:
It seems to me both Meyer / Pentacon Orestor 2.8/100mm and 2.8/135mm are still listed as Primoplan designs with wrong scheme.
Both lenses have nearly the same design (135mm in my previous post):
Orestor 2,8/100 by alf sigaro, on Flickr
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edri wrote:
One can find somewhere this pdf? Excellent these previous lists.
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Relayer: Done 
+ added some other designs: fujinon/unar, elmar, orthoscope, tair, hektor, telyt...
list of triplets, v.5:
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woodrim
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woodrim wrote:
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| Tremendous work, thank you! I have stored it locally for future reference. |
Here too. Thank you very much for that valuable reference.
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looking at these lens desings for smartphones makes me drunken:
http://bit.ly/1yrwgiM
link comes originally from Zeiss page:
http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/de/?p=5280
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francotirador
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francotirador wrote:
Does anyone know what optical scheme has the Color Lanthar 50 2.8 of the Voigtlander Vitoret DR?
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calvin83
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Does anyone know what optical scheme has the Color Lanthar 50 2.8 of the Voigtlander Vitoret DR?
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It is a triplet.
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tb_a wrote:
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Does anyone know what optical scheme has the Color Lanthar 50 2.8 of the Voigtlander Vitoret DR?
Thank you very much. |
It is a triplet. |
Indeed:
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l9magen wrote:
I stumbled across this today having been looking for the schematics for Rollei Planar 50/1.8 and Schneider Sl-Xenon 50/1.8.
This site is just awesome: wonderful work NoX, and everyone else. Thank you.
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Ernst Dinkla
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Ernst Dinkla wrote:
Maybe a bit too many to add to the "Sonnar Simplified 4 elements" lens diagram but here's a list I made based on diagrams from several sources.
IMHO, it would honor the inventor of the Gundlach Ultrastigmatic more if that design group gets the name "Enhanced Ultrastigmatic" which in fact it is more related to, including the versions with a cemented pair (extra element) at the rear.
Quote from the Vademecum:
Ultrastigmat (1916 ) f1.9 40, 50, 75mm for 35mm movie. The layout is roughly Ernostar-4,
but is more compact and anti-dates it. The Brit. Pat. covers 2 types with different separations to the
glasses 1 and 2, and also considers a cemented pair for glass 4.(Brit. Pat. 187082/1921 to Charles.C. Minor.
This claims coverage of 80°, and may be the first use of the layout and a Landmark (Layout Gun004).
Arco
Colinar 135mm 3.5
Canon
Serenar 135mm 4.0
Canon 135mm 3.5 for rangefinder
Canon R 135mm 3.5 for CanonFlex
Canon FL 135mm 3.5 though a deviation
CZJ or Zeiss Oberkochen
For Contax rangefinder, pre WWII
Sonnar 135mm 4.0
Olympia Sonnar 180mm 2.8 ,early one, not the Flektoscope or SLR version that have 5 elements or more
Sonnar 300mm 4.0
For Hasselblad
Sonnar 135mm 3.5 (1951)
Sonnar 250mm 5.6 (1957)
For Contarex
Sonnar 135mm 4.0
Sonnar 250mm 4.0
For ContaFlex
Sonnar 8cm 2.8 viewer lens
Futura
TeleElor 90mm 5.6
Isco
Tele-Iscaron 135mm 2.8
Tele-Westanar 180mm 4.0
Kyoei Acall
Super Acall 135mm 3.5
KMZ or KOMZ
Jupiter 11 135mm 4.0
Jupiter 37 135mm 3.5
Meyer
Telefogar 90mm 3.5
Orestor 100mm 2.8 extra element at the rear
Nikon
Nikkor 135mm 3.5 rangefindr Q version
Nikkor 250mm 4.0 rangefinder
Nikkor 135mm 3.5 SLR
Nikkor 250mm 4.0 SLR
Rodenstock
Rotelar 135mm 4.5
Schacht Ulm
Travenar 85mm 2.8
Altelar 90mm 2.8
Schneider Kreuznach
Tele-Xenar 75/90mm 3.5
Tele-Xeanr 100mm 2.8 16mm Cine version
Tele-Xenar 135 3.5 (some variations on the theme)
For Alpa
Tele-Xenar 135mm 3.5 (similar)
Steinheil
Quinar 85/100mm 3.5
Culminar 135mm 4.5 ?
Tanaka Kogaku
Tanar 135mm 3.5
Taylor Hobson
Non Distorting Tele
Series V 5"8.0 H.W. Lee 1924! Pat 222,709 ,one element extra at the rear,
8 years after the Gundlach Ultrastigmat patent and in the same period the first Ernostar was developed.
Topcon
Topcor 13.5cm 3.5 but there is also a triplet 135mm 3.5
Auto-Topcor 13.5cm 3.5
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Ernst Dinkla wrote:
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Maybe a bit too many to add to the "Sonnar Simplified 4 elements" lens diagram but here's a list I made based on diagrams from several sources.
IMHO, it would honor the inventor of the Gundlach Ultrastigmatic more if that design group gets the name "Enhanced Ultrastigmatic" which in fact it is more related to, including the versions with a cemented pair (extra element) at the rear.
Quote from the Vademecum:
Ultrastigmat (1916 ) f1.9 40, 50, 75mm for 35mm movie. The layout is roughly Ernostar-4,
but is more compact and anti-dates it. The Brit. Pat. covers 2 types with different separations to the
glasses 1 and 2, and also considers a cemented pair for glass 4.(Brit. Pat. 187082/1921 to Charles.C. Minor.
This claims coverage of 80°, and may be the first use of the layout and a Landmark (Layout Gun004).
Arco
Colinar 135mm 3.5
Canon
Serenar 135mm 4.0
Canon 135mm 3.5 for rangefinder
Canon R 135mm 3.5 for CanonFlex
Canon FL 135mm 3.5 though a deviation
CZJ or Zeiss Oberkochen
For Contax rangefinder, pre WWII
Sonnar 135mm 4.0
Olympia Sonnar 180mm 2.8 ,early one, not the Flektoscope or SLR version that have 5 elements or more
Sonnar 300mm 4.0
For Hasselblad
Sonnar 135mm 3.5 (1951)
Sonnar 250mm 5.6 (1957)
For Contarex
Sonnar 135mm 4.0
Sonnar 250mm 4.0
For ContaFlex
Sonnar 8cm 2.8 viewer lens
Futura
TeleElor 90mm 5.6
Isco
Tele-Iscaron 135mm 2.8
Tele-Westanar 180mm 4.0
Kyoei Acall
Super Acall 135mm 3.5
KMZ or KOMZ
Jupiter 11 135mm 4.0
Jupiter 37 135mm 3.5
Meyer
Telefogar 90mm 3.5
Orestor 100mm 2.8 extra element at the rear
Nikon
Nikkor 135mm 3.5 rangefindr Q version
Nikkor 250mm 4.0 rangefinder
Nikkor 135mm 3.5 SLR
Nikkor 250mm 4.0 SLR
Rodenstock
Rotelar 135mm 4.5
Schacht Ulm
Travenar 85mm 2.8
Altelar 90mm 2.8
Schneider Kreuznach
Tele-Xenar 75/90mm 3.5
Tele-Xeanr 100mm 2.8 16mm Cine version
Tele-Xenar 135 3.5 (some variations on the theme)
For Alpa
Tele-Xenar 135mm 3.5 (similar)
Steinheil
Quinar 85/100mm 3.5
Culminar 135mm 4.5 ?
Tanaka Kogaku
Tanar 135mm 3.5
Taylor Hobson
Non Distorting Tele
Series V 5"8.0 H.W. Lee 1924! Pat 222,709 ,one element extra at the rear,
8 years after the Gundlach Ultrastigmat patent and in the same period the first Ernostar was developed.
Topcon
Topcor 13.5cm 3.5 but there is also a triplet 135mm 3.5
Auto-Topcor 13.5cm 3.5 |
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4467990
This discussion on the Hugo Hahn lens designs for Optische Werke Rüdersdorf A.G. (Rüo Optik) lenses
should be considered too. The Soviet Kaleinar has its origins in that work done. All running parallel in time to the early Ernostar
design period if not earlier.
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16:9 wrote:
+1 - thanks. It's otherwise hard to find a single place where this fundamental information is gathered.
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16:9 wrote:
PM sent.
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remlap wrote:
Hi what type is the 300mm F4.5 Nikkor-H?
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Latente
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Latente wrote:
is sad that now the links are broken.
i upload the file that i have on my pc on internet archive for the future generations.
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wolfhansen
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wolfhansen wrote:
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Hi what type is the 300mm F4.5 Nikkor-H?
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https://i0.wp.com/www.nocsensei.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/M_Cavina_Nikon_300_4-5_03.jpg?ssl=1
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