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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Jupiter 9 - new vs second-hand Reply with quote
A question for the russian lenses specialists here ...

I'd like to buy a Jupiter 9 and I am considering a new one from Rugift http://rugift.com/photocameras/jupiter_9_lens.htm

BUT ... I read somewhere that old Jupiter are better than new ones Confused

Is that true ?


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't know how the last one compare with the old.
This one is multicoated, 88 euros new look a nice price and you don't have to worry about mechanical problem or fungus


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
poilu wrote:
you don't have to worry about mechanical problem or fungus

Good point Smile


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Old Jupiter-9 is not multicoated so I'd say go for a new one. On the other hand, some people prefers the lower contrast of older versions.
There are several factors concurring, both pro and against:

- the first Russian lenses were made using Zeiss machinery by Zeiss engineers refugees. So they are likely to be excellent copies.

- until the 50s, lenses could use lead as coating material, and were more efficient than later lenses when lead was prohibited.

- on the other hand, lenses from the 80s on are mostly multicoated and therefore with less flare and more contrast

- like all Soviet countries, the decline in economy they had to suffer in their last 10-15 years has influenced the quality of the production also. For instance, the lastest Jena lenses have more quality control problem than earlier ones, this is the reason why some people like Attila trust more zebra or leatherette versions than MC versions.

- a danger of the older lenses and of Jupiter-9 in particular, is that they may have been opened for servicing by people not able to remount them properly, and for this reason, be decentred or with other defekts to focus scale, etc. So there is a risk in this because Jupiter-9 was much popular and at the same time, ultra-difficult lens to assemble-disassemble, so tehre is a high number of poorly reassembled J9s because of incompetent people opening them. With a new lens, you are safe.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I guess, as with the most good Russian lenses, you can get stellar performers or you can get a lemon, no matter when this lens was built.

So I also would prefer a new one if you can get it for a similar price.
You can still get rid of a J9 easily if you don't like your copy.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have both lenses old silver ones and latest MC ones, both are excellent. I never heard lemon copy of Russian lenses except Orio's Zenitar.

For rugift price 129 USD I able to sell you a MINT MC Jupiter-9 85mm f2 lens .Let me know if you want it.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Get a new one! Keep the company going so they can make lenses for your children, and your children's children! Smile


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Exactly what Puplet say, we must support them.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
For rugift price 129 USD I able to sell you a MINT MC Jupiter-9 85mm f2 lens .Let me know if you want it.

Well, I guess we're gone make business together Wink

PM sent.

Oh, and many thanks to all the people who answered Very Happy


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing Thanks!!


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mechanicaly, both old and new version are sharing the same optical bloc design. The change is about the focusing bloc (easily removable by unscrewing it) and as already said sometime multi-coating.

I have both non MC old & new shape black J9.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Flor27 wrote:
Mechanicaly, both old and new version are sharing the same optical bloc design. The change is about the focusing bloc (easily removable by unscrewing it) and as already said sometime multi-coating.

I have both non MC old & new shape black J9.

Well, Attila offered me to buy a mint J9, I couldn't resist ...

Beside, I just learned that one of my girlfriend's coworkers is willing to pose for me ... a good opportunity to test that lens at f2.

P.S. J'ai vu la liste de ton matos, je suis officiellement jaloux et envieux Wink


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A great model is more important than a lens I look forward your posts.
You can find some Jupiter-9 MC shoots here.

http://www.pbase.com/hqdesign/brunette


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
A great model is more important than a lens

The model is a cutie ... My girlfriend took some pics of her (http://billetdepimousse.over-blog.org/article-7338841.html) but I think the J9 will be more flattering at full aperture ...

My girlfriend (by the way, her name is Gina) is shooting with a Kodak bridge camera, so not a very MF person but she offered me a Helios 44. Did I told you she's perfect ? Wink


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes J9 would be better at least I hope Laughing


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
Yes J9 would be better at least I hope Laughing

Not really good skin texture, huh ? But she's got blue eyes you could drown in Smile


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
J9 can be solve skin problem, main reason why I prefer bit soft lens at wide open like J9 and this lens sharp enough for blue eyes.So I hope your g/f will change to MF lens after all she saw results Confused


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attila wrote:
So I hope your g/f will change to MF lens after all she saw results Confused

I wouldn't bet on it ... she's more of a "point and shoot" person. Can't appreciate the real beauty of a Pancolar Zebra Wink


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Same than mine LOL I only know 2-3 ladies from all over the world to shoot with manual lenses.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Haha. I'm also trying like crazy to get my gf involved in the mf lens world. I even gave my sears TLS and sears 1.4/55mm to her as part of her christmas present!

I figure maybe if she likes it enough I wouldn't have to rationalize all of my purchases....maybe at least a few could slip under the "radar."

~Marc


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing That is impossible LOL, I started to develop my kids MF lens knowledge, pretty promising, let we see at spring how it will be success.


PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I like to hear that! Much better than plopping an autofocus digital into their hands right away.

But I must admit, as much as I joke about my gf, this christmas she got me a custom built 4x5 pinhole camera along with 50 sheets of kodak 400 t-max. Just amazing! So she feeds the addiction as much as I do.


PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Surprised


PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jieffe wrote:

Well, Attila offered me to buy a mint J9, I couldn't resist ...

Félicitations !

Quote:
P.S. J'ai vu la liste de ton matos, je suis officiellement jaloux et envieux Wink

Ne le sois pas, ce n'est pas le nombre qui fait la qualité... 1/3 des optiques que je poss?de sont ? réparrer ou ? adapter pour fonctionner. Et regarde le J-9 que j'ai reçu derni?rement :





PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Florent, I got that far with a Trioplan. I won't go into what happened when I tried to reassemble it Embarassed Crying or Very sad
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