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Gurdie
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 Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:39 am Post subject: Itohkogaku Higon 135/3.5 preset - samples |
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Gurdie wrote:
This is a lens I bought from *Bay a few days ago for 4.50 EUR + post. I was interested, because
I had never heard about this brand, and there´s very little written about it in the net. After all, it wasn´t a M42 lens, as advertised, but a T-mount, which is actually better for me, because I had a suitable T-adapter for Nikon and with it I can focus to infinity.
From the pictures, it looks much like a Tele-Kominar or a Lentar lens. See
http://forum.mflenses.com/tele-kominar-135mm-f3-5-t7180,highlight,kominar.html
http://forum.mflenses.com/lentar-preset-135-3-5-t-mount-what-is-this-t16105,highlight,lentar.html
Any idea about the manufacturer? Itoh Kogaku? Why else mention this on the lens?
It is a smallish, all-metal, well-build, single-coated, preset lens from the 60´s, I believe. The iris has 16 blades, and I like the simpleness of the aperture close-down-ring without any confusing markings, just a red triangle. It works smooth, and very easy to turn with your index finger. Minimum focus distance could be better, it´s only 2 meters. And the lens flares pretty badly, so I have to find a 49 mm hood for this (fortunately my 135mm CZJ has also 49 mm filter ring).
The lens with my other 135´s.
Here´s some samples
1. At f/4
2. At f/8
3. Bokeh at f/3.5
4. At f/5.6
5. At f/5.6
6. At f/4
7. With Nikon PK-13 extension ring (27.5 mm) at f/8
I don´t recommend this for close-up shots.
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karabud wrote:
Good shots!Lens look similar to old silver takumar 135 3.5
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
A very interesting catch !
I have seen these Itoh Higon lenses around (fairly rare). Its most likely a manufacturers brand. The design and details are, besides the similarities to most lenses of the time, unique as far as I can tell.
There are several lines of lenses in the 1960's with still unidentified makers, perhaps this is another candidate maker. Alternately Itoh changed its name to something more marketable.
Another mysterious make is Kawanon, also unique designs.
One of the fascinations with the Japanese lens industry.
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estudleon
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estudleon wrote:
Hi Luis!!
Kawanon = Norita ?
Rino.
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luisalegria
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luisalegria wrote:
Hi Rino,
I don't think so. Norita made a very few 35mm lenses but these were expensive.
Who knows though.
I checked my notes - I have a reference to a
Kawakami Seiki Seisakusho Ltd.
as the user of the "Kawanon" brand.
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Gurdie
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Gurdie wrote:
Thanks for your interest and comments.
@Luis: from a Japanese optical equipment manufacturers list I found
Ito Kogaku Kikai Seisakujo. Inc. (code JB113). Maybe this is the manufacturer? Do you know anything about it? Didn´t find anything else but this name in the net.
There is about 260 names in that list, so for a mystery brand lens there´s a lot of possible manufacturers. 
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estudleon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
| luisalegria wrote: |
Hi Rino,
I don't think so. Norita made a very few 35mm lenses but these were expensive.
Who knows though.
I checked my notes - I have a reference to a
Kawakami Seiki Seisakusho Ltd.
as the user of the "Kawanon" brand. |
OK, Thanks Luis.
Regards, Rino.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
Stuff used:
A) SRL
Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
Leica M. M2, M3 (d.s.) and M4. Schenider 3,4/21, 2/35 summaron 2,8/35 (with eyes). Summicron 2/35 (8 elements with eyes), 2/35 chrome, 2/35 black, 1,4/35 pre asph and aspheric - old -, 2/40 summicron, 2,8/50 elmar, 2/50 7 elements, 2/50 DR, 2/50 - minolta version, 1,4/50 summilux 1966 version, 1,4/75 summilux, 2/90 large version, 2/90 reduced version of 1987, 2,8/90 elmarit large version, 4/135 elmar. |
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themoleman342 wrote:
I noticed that this post was recently mentioned in the "Cheap lens challenge" thread.
I actually have a lens that bears a striking resemblance to yours. It's labeled as a "Soligor" and is a f2.8. But it too is a T-mount, has a 2m minimum focus distance, and has a very interesting 16 blade aperture. Any chance they are the same manufacturer?
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luisalegria
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| Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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luisalegria wrote:
Yes, that seems to be one of these Itoh lenses.
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woodrim
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woodrim wrote:
I wonder if they are the same max aperture too; one rounded up and the other rounded down.
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56 DIN wrote:
this Komura might be a brother if it
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nixland wrote:
What a surprise lens indeed. Thanks for sharing.
What do you think of this lens compared to your czj 135?
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woodrim
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woodrim wrote:
I suspect it is not related to the Komura, but no proof either way. At the very least it has a sexy name.
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Gurdie
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Gurdie wrote:
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| What do you think of this lens compared to your czj 135? |
If you meant me, I haven´t made any direct comparisons, but I generally find the CZJ be sharper and more contrasty. I paid about 17 euros for it, so do I find it four times better? No, but the difference is bigger than 13 euros...
I cannot reach infinity with the CZJ, though, with a Nikon body. I could try to remove the limiting stops screw. I have seen the instructions somewhere...
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ChromaticAberration wrote:
Über sharp photos, great catch!
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Now that's interesting. My newer preset Soligors with 96 and 97 serial numbers (Kino) have a similar aperture blade formation:
http://forum.mflenses.com/the-big-soligor-thread-t33736,highlight,%2Bsoligor+%2Bthread.html
I also had a Soligor 100-200/5.6 with the same formation, also a Kino lens (according to the work done here on Soligor serials) - see the bottom of this page:
http://forum.mflenses.com/the-big-soligor-thread-t33736,highlight,+soligor++thread,start,30.html
Could the Itoh lenses be early Kinos?
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Kongtxoua wrote:
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this Komura might be a brother if it
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So sorry to be digging up old threads, but I'm trying to identify the mount on komura lens that looks very similar to this one. What type of mount does it have? And does the mounting piece screw off? |
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Macca wrote:
Possibly not helpful as they are completeely different focal lengths but I have a Higon Itohkogaku 200mm 4.5 and Sankyo Kohki Komura 35mm 2.5. they are quite different, the komura is a unidapter mount and the Higon a T2.
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NewStuff wrote:
Hmm... I'm glad someone dug this thread up. I have the same 135/3.5 lens, but Branded as an INA. I'll find some pictures to follow in a minute...
Here you go... I think it's the same.
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philslizzy wrote:
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this Komura might be a brother if it
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I notice the aperture and focus is the opposite way round on yours. perhaps similarity in looks as opposed to belonging to the same
family.?
I dug mine out, the barrel is a little different but otherwise the lens is more similar to this one than the Itohkogaku Higon. The 16blades aperture is almost circular.
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