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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10471 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
welcome Marco, It is a great honor to have you here!! _________________ T* |
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vlousada
Joined: 11 Dec 2010 Posts: 345 Location: Portugal
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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vlousada wrote:
Welcome Rob. How great is to see those GEMS and stories and findings from your grandfather. Hopefully we will finaly see image samples from those lens. Thanks for sharing being among us.
Welcome Marco. Also thanks to participate in Mflenses forum _________________ Regards,
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Everyone should read Marco's new article he linked to in his post, I found it absolutely fascinating, nothing but rare and exotic Zeiss and so well explained in detail, a meisterwerk! _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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Marco cavina
Joined: 19 Jan 2013 Posts: 7 Location: Faenza (Italy)
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Marco cavina wrote:
Thank you for the warm welcome! Several years ago I had some interesting conversations about the Distagon 1,4/25 with a friend of mine wo had been employed at the Oberkochen Plant and was in touch with Woeltche and Schuster; he said that Herr Glatzel, may his soul be in God's glory, in the project parameters which had been granted, had obtained to manage a maximum of 10 lenses with the use of two aspherical surfaces, and that he was able to negoziate the lenses number, increased to 13 elements, in excange for giving up one of the two aspherical elements, at time already difficult to realize at Zeiss, and so he did; I never shared this detail before.
Oberkochen folks whisper that the lens didn't reach the production stage mostly due to it's bulk (more or less 1kg, I was told), unsuitable, uncording to the management, for fast reportage actions... Of course several Canon users take advantage of fast lenses of the same weight class (50/1,0 L, 85/1,2 L) without complaining too much about what, but this is it.
For testing the lens(es), I guess that the classic EOS 5D mkII - mkIII + adapter (maybe mounting the lens with the mirror up + live-view already on, to avoid the risk of a mirror collision with the rear elements) should be the easiest way.
Best regards,
Marco _________________ Married to photography and addicted by it's story and secrets.
my actual hardware here
http://www.marcocavina.com/attrezzatura_fotografica.htm |
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patrickh
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 8551 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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patrickh wrote:
I am speechless that in one thread we can welcome two such eminent names. Welcome indeed Marco - I was introduced to your amazing work by Orio some time ago.
Welcome both of you
patrickh _________________ DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, 135/2.8 (M42), Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5, 200/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 50/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4 |
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fermy
Joined: 17 Feb 2012 Posts: 2877
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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fermy wrote:
Marco, Rob welcome to the club, it's a great pleasure to see you here.
Marco cavina wrote: |
Oberkochen folks whisper that the lens didn't reach the production stage mostly due to it's bulk (more or less 1kg, I was told), unsuitable, uncording to the management, for fast reportage actions... Of course several Canon users take advantage of fast lenses of the same weight class (50/1,0 L, 85/1,2 L) without complaining too much about what, but this is it.
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That makes a lot of sense. 1kg sounds hugely impractical. For example, Canon FD 24/1.4 L is only 430gr, I'd think that IQ is decent too Rob, is your lens ~ 1kg indeed? _________________ Many lenses and some film bodies for sale here: http://forum.mflenses.com/canon-fd-minolta-md-c-mounts-m42-pentax-and-more-t50465.html
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/96060788@N06/ |
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raspberryrob
Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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raspberryrob wrote:
Thanks for all the welcomes! And Marco, it's a pleasure to have you here!
So I didn't get my roll shot completely, but I found some previous shots I've taken with the 18 while I was traveling Europe this summer. I didn't take many, and I can't recall the aperture on the shots, but here.
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Tetrahedroid
Joined: 20 Jan 2013 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Tetrahedroid wrote:
Hari wrote: |
kuuan wrote: |
Orio wrote: |
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No, there's no logical reason in my mind to have a private sale preferred to a safe museum structure... |
agreed in theory
but then is there a Zeiss museum, and if there is one, how safe is it, who is the owner?
I still shudder when I think of Hoya closing down the big Pentax museum outside Tokyo in 2009. Where did all go?
So after all what matters most is a responsible person |
And that's why I'd rather keep the lens in this group of people who really are dedicated and deeply reverent
Better a known devil than an unknown god |
Could you please just accept that you're never getting these lenses?
I think it's clear; museum or family. |
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raspberryrob
Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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raspberryrob wrote:
fermy wrote: |
That makes a lot of sense. 1kg sounds hugely impractical. For example, Canon FD 24/1.4 L is only 430gr, I'd think that IQ is decent too Rob, is your lens ~ 1kg indeed? |
Yes, the 25 is really heavy. When I was first given the lenses, and up until now, I rarely used the 25 because of how heavy and bulky it was. |
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raspberryrob
Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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raspberryrob wrote:
propellor wrote: |
A question on the 25. There are 2 wide rubber rings on the body. Which one do you use for focussing? Does the otherone move as well? |
Both move together |
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trifox
Joined: 14 May 2008 Posts: 3614 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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trifox wrote:
Welcome Marco.
I'd say many people have learned through your website which is full of great analysis and interesting details
this is absolutely fascinating post.
I think this post should be archived as a post of all posts on this forum
tf _________________ Flickr.com |
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ZoneV
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 1633 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:01 am Post subject: |
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ZoneV wrote:
Thank you rob!
The cat image is very nice, whow! _________________ Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
I AM A LENS NERD!
Epis, Elmaron, Emerald, Ernostar, Helioplan and Heidosmat.
Epiotar, Kameraobjektiv, Anastigmat, Epis, Meganast, Magnagon, Quinar, Culmigon, Novotrinast, Novflexar, Colorplan, Sekor, Kinon, Talon, Telemegor, Xenon, Xenar, Ultra, Ultra Star. Tessar, Janar, Visionar, Kiptar, Kipronar and Rotelar.
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my_photography
Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2772 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:40 am Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
Welcome Marco, you name has been mentioned more than a few times in the past.
Rob, if possible, give us some measurement of the lens - weight, length, filter size etc. when time permit. As you will probably be the only person that we know having this lens, any info you provide here will become a record or some kind. So pardon us if we at time might sound too anxious to find out more on these two lens. _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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Marco cavina
Joined: 19 Jan 2013 Posts: 7 Location: Faenza (Italy)
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Marco cavina wrote:
Just to say that I updated the article about "cute Zeiss DFR and DDR lenses" linked to this thread, with some interesting upgrades (pictures and/or text and/or sketches) about:
Zeiss Krauss Anastigmat 110mm f/8 with Protar formula (1896)
Zeiss Apo-Tessar 30cm f/9 wartime (1943)
the optical section and data about the Oberkochen Blasennkammerobjektiv S-Distagon for CERN bubble-camber
the optical section of the microlithography S-Planar 25mm f/1,6 and 50mm f/1,6 + a batch of others.
Thank you.
Marco _________________ Married to photography and addicted by it's story and secrets.
my actual hardware here
http://www.marcocavina.com/attrezzatura_fotografica.htm |
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iangreenhalgh1
Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 15685
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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iangreenhalgh1 wrote:
Many thanks Marco, I shall read it again, I enjoyed it so much the first time, so many lenses I would love to have but can only dream about. _________________ I don't care who designed it, who made it or what country it comes from - I just enjoy using it! |
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ManualFocus-G
Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 6624 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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ManualFocus-G wrote:
Some fascinating insights here! Huge thanks to the new guys for coming along and sharing your knowledge and experience _________________ Graham - Moderator
Shooter of choice: Fujifilm X-T20 with M42, PB and C/Y lenses
See my Flickr photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/manualfocus-g |
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raspberryrob
Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Posts: 9
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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raspberryrob wrote:
Hey everyone. Sorry for my absence from the post. It's been a busy week and I haven't had much time to sit still. I promise I'll get the pictures from the lenses uploaded soon as well. I want some nice shots to show off |
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LFLee
Joined: 25 Jan 2013 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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LFLee wrote:
It's fortunate that you also likes to take photos. Use it, and if you need the money, you could sell them. Let beat those Leica camera price.
Interesting story! _________________ Pentax user |
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SonicScot
Joined: 01 Dec 2011 Posts: 2698 Location: Scottish Highlands
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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SonicScot wrote:
raspberryrob wrote: |
Hey everyone. Sorry for my absence from the post. It's been a busy week and I haven't had much time to sit still. I promise I'll get the pictures from the lenses uploaded soon as well. I want some nice shots to show off |
Take your time, we're not going anywhere _________________ Gary
Currently active gear....
Sony a7
E-M1 Mkll
Rubinar 1000/10 + 2x matched extender
Tamron 500/8 55BB
Sigma 100-300/4
Vivitar Series 1.... 200/3, 70-210/3.5 (V1 by Kiron), 135/2.3, 105/2.5 macro, 90/2.5 macro (Bokina), 90-180/4.5 Flat Field Macro, 28-90mm f/2.8-3.5
Carl Zeiss.... 180/2.8, 135/3.5, 85/1.4, 35/2.4 Flektagon, 21/2.8 Distagon
Nikon.... 55/3.5 micro, 50/1.2
Elicar 90/2.5 V-HQ Macro
Zhongyi Speedmaster 85/1.2
Jupiter-9 85/2
Helios.... 58/2 44-3
Hartblei 45/3.5 Super-Rotator TS-PC
Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye
Samyang 8/3.5 fisheye
Nodal Ninja 4, Neewer leveling tripod base
Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/gazsus/ Website http://garianphotography.co.uk/ |
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jnarciso
Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 39
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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jnarciso wrote:
Welcome Rob to the forum and thanks for posting these rare images.
I am amazed by these two precious pieces of photographic engineering.
I will be a keen follower of this terrific post
Regards |
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Marco cavina
Joined: 19 Jan 2013 Posts: 7 Location: Faenza (Italy)
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Marco cavina wrote:
Here is my interpretation of this topic (thanks to Rob who granted the use of his pictures), published some minutes ago:
http://www.marcocavina.com/articoli_fotografici/Zeiss_Distagon_1,4-25_2,8_18/00_pag.htm
unfortunately this is the Italian language version (the English is coming asap) but the illustrations speak by themselves.
Best regards,
Marco _________________ Married to photography and addicted by it's story and secrets.
my actual hardware here
http://www.marcocavina.com/attrezzatura_fotografica.htm |
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my_photography
Joined: 03 Nov 2008 Posts: 2772 Location: Pearl of the Orient
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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my_photography wrote:
I don't read Italian, but whatever you have there in the link is sure great. You have extra photos of the lens too. You are fast. _________________
Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna M�nchen Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5
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LucisPictor
Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 17633 Location: Oberhessen, Germany / Maidstone ('95-'96)
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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LucisPictor wrote:
Welcome! It's great to have you here, both of you! _________________ Personal forum activity on pause every now and again (due to job obligations)!
Carsten, former Moderator
Things ON SALE
Carsten = "KAPCTEH" = "Karusutenu" | T-shirt?.........................My photos from Emilia: http://www.schouler.net/emilia/emilia2011.html
My gear: http://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/ausrustung/
Old list: http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic.php?t=65 (Not up-to-date, sorry!) | http://www.lucispictor.de | http://www.alensaweek.wordpress.com |
http://www.retrocamera.de
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poilu
Joined: 26 Aug 2007 Posts: 10471 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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poilu wrote:
Google translated the article flawless, extraordinary piece of history ! _________________ T* |
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ylyad
Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Posts: 476 Location: Zentralschweiz
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:29 am Post subject: |
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ylyad wrote:
This thread becomes famous: http://www.petapixel.com/2013/01/25/grandson-of-zeiss-lens-designer-was-left-a-holy-grail-of-zeiss-lenses/
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Camera: Fuji X-E2, Fuji X100T
MF: Canon nFD 50/1.4, Canon nFD 100/2.8, Tokina RMC 135/2.8
Tamron SP 24-48/3.5-3.8
http://www.flickr.com/derdide/
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