Distagon 25/1,4 and a Distagon 18/2,8

[poilu]

welcome Marco, It is a great honor to have you here!!
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[vlousada]

Welcome Rob. How great is to see those GEMS and stories and findings from your grandfather. Hopefully we will finaly see image samples from those lens. Thanks for sharing being among us.

Welcome Marco. Also thanks to participate in Mflenses forum
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My current lenses:

[C/Y] Distagon 1.4/35 MMJ; Vario-SONNAR 3.4/35-70 MMG; PLANAR 1.4/50 MMJ; SONNAR 2.8/135 MMJ; SONNAR 2.8/180 MMG;
[EF] EF 4/24-105 USM L; FD 2/135 converted;
[Exakta] FLEKTOGON 2.8/35; PRIMAGON 4.5/35; TRIOPLAN 2.8/100; BIOTAR 2.0/58; PRIMOTAR 3.5/135;
[FD] FDn 2/24; FD 2.8/28; FL 3.5/28; FDn 2/35; FL 2.5/35; FD 1.4/50; FL 3.5/50 Macro; FL 1.2/55; FL 1.2/58; FDn 1.2/85 L; FL 1.8/85; FL 5.6/100-200;
[m39SRL] JUPITER-9 2/85 Silver; TAIR 11 2.8/133; JUPITER-6 2.8/180;
[M42] FLEKTOGON MC 2.4/35 (2x); TESSAR 4.5/40; PANCOLAR 1.8/50; SUPER-TAKUMAR 1.4/50 (8-elements); TESSAR 2.8/50 (Silver); PANCOLAR 1.8/80; FUJINON 1.4/50 EBC; MIR-24H 2/35; MIR-1B 2.8/37; INDUSTAR 50-2 3.5/50; HELIOS 44 2/58 Silver; HELIOS 44-3 2/58; ORESTOR 2.8/135 1Q; TAIR 11A 2.8/135; Vivitar 3.5/200; TAIR-3 4.5/300; 3M-6A 6.3/500
[MD] ROKKOR MC 1.8/35; ROKKOR 3.5/35-70; ROKKOR 2/45; ROKKOR 1.4/50; ROKKOR 1.2/58 and 1.4/58; ROKKOR MC 1.7/85 (x2); ROKKOR 2.5/100; ROKKOR 2.8/135;
[OM] ZUIKO 1.4/50; ZUIKO 3.5/50 Macro; Vivitar 2.3/135 Series 1; ZUIKO 3.4/135; Vivitar 3.5/70-210 Series 1;
[..] TAMRON BBAR 2.5/90 Macro and BBAR 8/500 Adaptall EF;

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SELLING:
[AR] Konica HEXANON 3.5/28; 1.8/40; 1.4/57; 1.8/85 EE; [OM] Olympus ZUIKO 3.5/21; ZUIKO 2/35; Makiton MC 28-70; ZUIKO 2.8/135;
[M42] Asahi Pentax TAKUMAR Super-Multi-Coated 1.4/50; Super-Takumar 1.8/55; TAKUMAR Super-Multi-Coated 2.5/135; HELIOS 44-3; PENTACON 2.8/135 15 blades; Soligor 2.8/35;
[..] Carl Zeiss Jena DISTAGON 2.8/35 Rollei;

[iangreenhalgh1]

Everyone should read Marco's new article he linked to in his post, I found it absolutely fascinating, nothing but rare and exotic Zeiss and so well explained in detail, a meisterwerk!
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'The question I would really consider (especially if an amateur and on a budget) is whether or not anyone (including yourself, of course) can tell the difference in any situation for which you will use the lens...and if they can, why are they burying their noses in your prints hard enough to tell the difference instead of responding to the prints emotionally and thinking about what they might mean?' - 2F/2F on apug.org

Digital: Sony NEX-3, Samsung NX100, Canon EOS 450d
35mm SLR: Konica FT-1, Konica FC-1, Konica Autoreflex T, Carena SRH760, Exakta RTL1000, Canon EOS 10qd
35mm VF: Olympus Stylus, Konica C35, Konica A4, Konica MG, Konica MT-9, Ricoh FF-9, Ricoh AF-80
35mm RF: Zorki 6, Kiev II, Kiev IV, Contax IIIa, CZJ Werra III,
Medium format: Franka Rolfix, Mess Ikonta 524/16, Voigtlander Bessa with Skopar 3.5/105, Voigtlander Bessa with Voigtar 3.5/105, Kiev 6C, Century Graphic 23, Ensign Selfix 820, Kershaw 450
MF lenses: Schneider Angulon 6.5/68, Componon-S 5.6/100, C-Claron 4.5/135, Xenar 3.5/105, Mamiya C 2.8/45, Mamiya 2.8/80, CZJ Flektogon 4/50, Biometar 2.8/80, Zodiac 3.5/30, Tominon 4.5/135, Pullin Pulnar 2.8/100
Large Format: Ernemann HEAG Series VII version II 9x12 with Kodak Anastigmat 6.3/170
Konica Hexanons 4/21, 2.8/24, 3.5/28, 2.8/35, 1.8/40, 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 1.8/50, 3.2/135, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 4.5/300, 3.5-4.5/35-70, 4-4.6/28-135, 3.5/35-70, UC 3.5/45-100, 4/70-150, 4/65-135, UC 4/80-200. Hexars 3.5/28, 3.5/135, Konishiroku 2.8/35
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.8/35, Skoparex 3.4/35, Tessar 2.8/50, Sonnar 1.5/50, Biotar 2/58, Pancolar 1.8/50, Cardinar 4/100, Zeiss-Opton Biogon 2.8/35
Meyer/Pentacons 2.8/28, Primagon 4.5/35, Trioplan 2.9/50, 1.8/50, 2.4/50, Primotar 3.5/50, Primotar 3.5/135
Topcon RE Auto Topcors 1.8/58, 3.5/135, 5.6/200
Russians: OKC1-18-1 2.8/18, OKC1-28-1 2.8/28, Jupiter-12 2.8/35, Jupiter-8 2/50, Industar-50 3.5/50, Industar-26M 2.8/50, Industar-22 3.5/50, Zenitar M2S 2/50, Helios-44-2, Jupiter-9 2/85, Jupiter-11 4/135, Tair-3C 4.5/300
Tokina 3.5/17, Nikon Auto Nikkor-N 2.8/24, Nikon Micro-Nikkor-P 3.5/55, Ross Xpress 3.5/4in, Ross Xpress 4/5in, Ross Xpress 4.5/8.5in, Wollensak APO-Raptar 10/541

[Marco cavina]

Thank you for the warm welcome! Several years ago I had some interesting conversations about the Distagon 1,4/25 with a friend of mine wo had been employed at the Oberkochen Plant and was in touch with Woeltche and Schuster; he said that Herr Glatzel, may his soul be in God's glory, in the project parameters which had been granted, had obtained to manage a maximum of 10 lenses with the use of two aspherical surfaces, and that he was able to negoziate the lenses number, increased to 13 elements, in excange for giving up one of the two aspherical elements, at time already difficult to realize at Zeiss, and so he did; I never shared this detail before.

Oberkochen folks whisper that the lens didn't reach the production stage mostly due to it's bulk (more or less 1kg, I was told), unsuitable, uncording to the management, for fast reportage actions... Of course several Canon users take advantage of fast lenses of the same weight class (50/1,0 L, 85/1,2 L) without complaining too much about what, but this is it.

For testing the lens(es), I guess that the classic EOS 5D mkII - mkIII + adapter (maybe mounting the lens with the mirror up + live-view already on, to avoid the risk of a mirror collision with the rear elements) should be the easiest way.

Best regards,

Marco
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my actual hardware here

http://www.marcocavina.com/attrezzatura_fotografica.htm

[patrickh]

I am speechless that in one thread we can welcome two such eminent names. Welcome indeed Marco - I was introduced to your amazing work by Orio some time ago.

Welcome both of you


patrickh
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DSLR: Nikon D300 Nikon D200 Nex 5N
MF Zooms: Kiron 28-85/3.5, 28-105/3.2, 75-150/3.5, Nikkor 50-135/3.5 AIS // MF Primes: Nikkor 20/4 AI, 24/2 AI, 28/2 AI, 28/2.8 AIS, 28/3.5 AI, 35/1.4 AIS, 35/2 AIS, 35/2.8 PC, 45/2.8 P, 50/1.4 AIS, 50/1.8 AIS, 50/2 AI, 55/2.8 AIS micro, 55/3.5 AI micro, 85/2 AI, 100/2,8 E, 105/1,8 AIS, 105/2,5 AIS, 135/2 AIS, 135/2.8 AIS, 200/4 AI, 200/4 AIS micro, 300/4.5 AI, 300/4.5 AI ED, Arsat 50/1.4, Kiron 28/2, Vivitar 28/2.5, Panagor 135/2.8, Tamron 28/2.5, Tamron 90/2.5 macro, Vivitar 90/2.5 macro (Tokina) Voigtlander 90/3.5 Vivitar 105/2.5 macro (Kiron) Kaleinar 100/2.8 AI Tamron 135/2.5, Vivitar 135/2.8CF, 200/3.5, Tokina 400/5,6
M42: Vivitar 28/2.5, Tamron 28/2.5, Formula5 28/2.8, Mamiya 28/2.8, Pentacon 29/2.8, Flektogon 35/2.4, Flektogon 35/2.8, Takumar 35/3.5, Curtagon 35/4, Takumar 50/1.4, Volna-6 50/2.8 macro, Mamiya 50/1.4, CZJ Pancolar 50/1,8, Oreston 50/1.8, Takumar 50/2, Industar 50/3.5, Sears 55/1.4, Helios 58/2, Jupiter 85/2, Helios 85/1.5, Takumar 105/2.8, Steinheil macro 105/4.5, Tamron 135/2.5, Jupiter 135/4, CZ 135/4, Steinheil Culminar 135/4,5, Jupiter 135/3.5, Takumar 135/3.5, Tair 135/2.8, Pentacon 135/2.8, CZ 135/2.8, Taika 135/3.5, Takumar 150/4, Jupiter 200/4, Takumar 200/4
Exakta: Topcon 100/2.8(M42), 35/2.8, 58/1.8, 135/2.8, Kyoei Acall 135/3.5
C/Y: Yashica 28/2.8, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, Zeiss Planar 50/1.4, Distagon 25/2.8
Hexanon: 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 40/1.8, 50/1.7, 52/1.8, 135/3.2, 135/3.5, 35-70/3.5
P6 : Mir 38 65/3.5, Biometar 80/2.8, Kaleinar 150/2.8, Sonnar 180/2.8
Minolta SR: 28/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 45/2, 58/1.4, 50/1.7, 135/2.8, 200/3.5
RF: Industar 53/2.8, Jupiter 8 50/2
Enlarg: Rodagon 50/5,6, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, Vario 44-52/4, 150/5.6 180/5.6 El Nikkor 50/2,8,63/2.8,75/4, 80/5,6, 105/5.6, 135/5.6 Schneider 60/5.6, 80/5.6, 80/4S,100/5.6S,105/5.6,135/5.6, 135/5.6S, 150/5.6S, Leica 95/4

[fermy]

Marco, Rob welcome to the club, it's a great pleasure to see you here.

[raspberryrob]

Thanks for all the welcomes! And Marco, it's a pleasure to have you here!

So I didn't get my roll shot completely, but I found some previous shots I've taken with the 18 while I was traveling Europe this summer. I didn't take many, and I can't recall the aperture on the shots, but here.
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[raspberryrob]

[raspberryrob]

[trifox]

Welcome Marco.

I'd say many people have learned through your website which is full of great analysis and interesting details

this is absolutely fascinating post.

I think this post should be archived as a post of all posts on this forum

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[ZoneV]

Thank you rob!
The cat image is very nice, whow!
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Camera modification, repair and DIY - some links to look through: http://www.4photos.de/camera-diy/index-en.html
DSLR: Canon EOS 5D, EOS 350D with interchangable IR-Cut / IR-Pass filter / Grey filter
Lenses: Zeiss 50/1.4, 50/1.7, 85/1.4, 135/2.8 C/Y, M42, Converted Minolta Rokkor 35/1.8, 58/1.2, Converted Canon FD 50/1.4, 100/4, 300/2.8, Steinheil Quinar 135/2.8, ..

[my_photography]

Welcome Marco, you name has been mentioned more than a few times in the past.

Rob, if possible, give us some measurement of the lens - weight, length, filter size etc. when time permit. As you will probably be the only person that we know having this lens, any info you provide here will become a record or some kind. So pardon us if we at time might sound too anxious to find out more on these two lens.
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Zeiss: CJZ Flektogon 20/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 20/4, , CJZ Pentacon 29/2.8, CJZ Flektogon 35/2.4, CJZ Pancolar 50/1.8, Tessar 50/2.8, Biotar 7.5cm/1.5, CJZ Pancolar 80/1.8, CJZ Sonnar 135/3.5, CJZ Pentacon 135/2.8 CJZ Sonnar 200/2.8
Other Germany: Meyer Primoplan 50/1.8, Meyer Trioplan 100/2.8
Takumar: SMC 50/1.4 Super Tak 55/2, Super Tak 85/1.9, S-M-C 135/3.5, Super Tak 150/4
Russian: Zenith 16/2.8, Mir-24M 2/35, Volna-9 50/2.8, Helios 44M (58/2), Helios 44M-3 MC (58/2), Helios 40 (85/1.5), Tair 11A (135/2.8 )
Others: Sears 28/2.8, Sankor 35/2.8, Enna München Tele-Ennalyt 135/3.5
Zoom Sigma Zoom 28-85/3.5-4.5

[Marco cavina]

Just to say that I updated the article about "cute Zeiss DFR and DDR lenses" linked to this thread, with some interesting upgrades (pictures and/or text and/or sketches) about:

Zeiss Krauss Anastigmat 110mm f/8 with Protar formula (1896)
Zeiss Apo-Tessar 30cm f/9 wartime (1943)
the optical section and data about the Oberkochen Blasennkammerobjektiv S-Distagon for CERN bubble-camber
the optical section of the microlithography S-Planar 25mm f/1,6 and 50mm f/1,6 + a batch of others.

Thank you.

Marco
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my actual hardware here

http://www.marcocavina.com/attrezzatura_fotografica.htm

[iangreenhalgh1]

Many thanks Marco, I shall read it again, I enjoyed it so much the first time, so many lenses I would love to have but can only dream about.
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'The question I would really consider (especially if an amateur and on a budget) is whether or not anyone (including yourself, of course) can tell the difference in any situation for which you will use the lens...and if they can, why are they burying their noses in your prints hard enough to tell the difference instead of responding to the prints emotionally and thinking about what they might mean?' - 2F/2F on apug.org

Digital: Sony NEX-3, Samsung NX100, Canon EOS 450d
35mm SLR: Konica FT-1, Konica FC-1, Konica Autoreflex T, Carena SRH760, Exakta RTL1000, Canon EOS 10qd
35mm VF: Olympus Stylus, Konica C35, Konica A4, Konica MG, Konica MT-9, Ricoh FF-9, Ricoh AF-80
35mm RF: Zorki 6, Kiev II, Kiev IV, Contax IIIa, CZJ Werra III,
Medium format: Franka Rolfix, Mess Ikonta 524/16, Voigtlander Bessa with Skopar 3.5/105, Voigtlander Bessa with Voigtar 3.5/105, Kiev 6C, Century Graphic 23, Ensign Selfix 820, Kershaw 450
MF lenses: Schneider Angulon 6.5/68, Componon-S 5.6/100, C-Claron 4.5/135, Xenar 3.5/105, Mamiya C 2.8/45, Mamiya 2.8/80, CZJ Flektogon 4/50, Biometar 2.8/80, Zodiac 3.5/30, Tominon 4.5/135, Pullin Pulnar 2.8/100
Large Format: Ernemann HEAG Series VII version II 9x12 with Kodak Anastigmat 6.3/170
Konica Hexanons 4/21, 2.8/24, 3.5/28, 2.8/35, 1.8/40, 1.4/50, 1.7/50, 1.8/50, 3.2/135, 3.5/135, 3.5/200, 4.5/300, 3.5-4.5/35-70, 4-4.6/28-135, 3.5/35-70, UC 3.5/45-100, 4/70-150, 4/65-135, UC 4/80-200. Hexars 3.5/28, 3.5/135, Konishiroku 2.8/35
Carl Zeiss Jena Flektogon 2.8/35, Skoparex 3.4/35, Tessar 2.8/50, Sonnar 1.5/50, Biotar 2/58, Pancolar 1.8/50, Cardinar 4/100, Zeiss-Opton Biogon 2.8/35
Meyer/Pentacons 2.8/28, Primagon 4.5/35, Trioplan 2.9/50, 1.8/50, 2.4/50, Primotar 3.5/50, Primotar 3.5/135
Topcon RE Auto Topcors 1.8/58, 3.5/135, 5.6/200
Russians: OKC1-18-1 2.8/18, OKC1-28-1 2.8/28, Jupiter-12 2.8/35, Jupiter-8 2/50, Industar-50 3.5/50, Industar-26M 2.8/50, Industar-22 3.5/50, Zenitar M2S 2/50, Helios-44-2, Jupiter-9 2/85, Jupiter-11 4/135, Tair-3C 4.5/300
Tokina 3.5/17, Nikon Auto Nikkor-N 2.8/24, Nikon Micro-Nikkor-P 3.5/55, Ross Xpress 3.5/4in, Ross Xpress 4/5in, Ross Xpress 4.5/8.5in, Wollensak APO-Raptar 10/541