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voe
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 Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: Comparing bokeh on my 50's manual focus lenses. |
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voe wrote:
Hi all,
I decided to compare how each of my 50's render bokeh and setup a not really well thought scene.
I used a tripod and custom white balance.
Shots are in JPG. No post processing of any kind.
Contrast, Sharpness, Saturation are set to "0" on my K10D.
SMC Pentax-A 50mm f1.7 @f1.7
Zeiss Jena Tessar 50mm f2.8 @f.2.8 (I borrowed it from a colleague)
Industar-50-2 @f3.5
Volna 50mm f2.8 @2.8
Helios-77M @1.8
Mamiya Sekor 50mm f2 @f2
MC Pentacon 50mm f1.8 @f1.8
Helios-44-2 @f2
Mamiya Sekor 55mm f1.8 @1.8
Vivitar 55mm f2.8 Macro @f2.8
I personally prefer the Volna-9. The OOF highlight rings are not that harsh, although they are not fully rings which I like even better.
Also noticed that the Industar-50-2 and the Carl Zeiss Jenna Tessar bokeh looks very similar. AFAIK these lenses share the same Tessar optical formula.
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Orio
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Orio wrote:
Hello, nice setup actually, love the colours! - but - I don't like to play the nasty one here, but comparing bokehs at different apertures is not really meaningful I am afraid. The type of bokeh you get from a lens at f/1.7 can not be really compared with the bokeh at f/2.8, let alone at f/3.5
I would suggest that either you compare only lenses that have the same maximum aperture, or, that you set up the comparison at the minimum common aperture - which, in your case, is the Industar's f/3.5
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voe
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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voe wrote:
Hi Orio,
I agree with you and I know the bokeh is not comparable at different apertures but I wanted to do a comparison of all my 50s lenses wide open regardless of the maximum possible aperture similar to what LucisPictor showed in his thread:
http://forum.mflenses.com/50s-wide-open-now-with-part-ii-t6804.html
I have too many 50s that I rarely use and will probably sell some of them. But the thing is that I like each one of them and it is hard for me to choose the lenses that will go. So I decided to see how they stack up, cause I mostly use these lenses wide open. Stopped down they are very similar. 
Cheers.
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Laurence
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
Voe worte: Stopped down they are very similar.
Yes, I'm certain they are very similar. And really, I can see why the hard choice, because frankly they ALL look good to me. 
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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voe
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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voe wrote:
The Pentacon and the CZJ Tessar allow close focus up to 0.33m and 0.35m respectively.
So in this comparsion all the lenses are at around 35cm distance from the test object.
MC Pentacon 50mm f1.8 @f1.8
Vivitar 55mm f2.8 Macro @f2.8
Volna 50mm f2.8 @2.8
Zeiss Jena Tessar 50mm f2.8 @f.2.8
Again I prefer the look of the Volna-9. It's bokeh is smoother than the rest and the highlight circles are not that harsh.
I know one lens that I am definitely not selling. It is the Volna-9.
It is one of a kind lens. |
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peterqd
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
| Laurence wrote: |
| they ALL look good to me. |
Me too, although if I had to choose the one I like the least it would be the Pentacon, because of the triple highlights.
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Laurence
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Laurence wrote:
| peterqd wrote: |
| Laurence wrote: |
| they ALL look good to me. |
Me too, although if I had to choose the one I like the least it would be the Pentacon, because of the triple highlights. |
The bokeh on the Volna, at least in this image, is to DIE for.
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Cameras and Lenses in Use:
Yashica Mat 124 w/ Yashinon 80/3.5,
CV Apo-Lanthar 90/3.5SL, (Thank you Klaus),
Pentax 645,
Flek 50,
Pentax-A 150
Pentax-A 120 Macro
Voigtlander Vitomatic I w/Color Skopar 50/2.8
Konica TC and zoom lenses (thanks Carsten)
Contax AX
Yashica ML 50/2
Yashica ML 35/2.8
Carl Zeiss Contax 50/1.4
Tamron Adaptall SP 17/3.5
Tamron Adaptall 28/2.5
Tamron Adaptall SP 300/2.8 LD (IF)
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estudleon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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estudleon wrote:
All seem to be similar rendition, but a plus for volna, for me.
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CZJ: 4/20, 2,4/35, 1,8/50 aus jena, 3,5/135MC, Pentacon 1,8/50
Pentax S-M-C-1,4/50
Helios 44-3
Mamiya 2,8/135
Misc. : jupiter 9
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Alpa 10 D - kern macro Switar 1,9/50 -black, Kilffit apochromat 2/100.
Asahi pentax spotmatic super takumar 1,4/50
Contaflex super B tessar 2,8/50 Pro-tessar 115
Leica R3 electronic summicron 2/50 elmarit 2,8/35
Konica Autoreflex 3 (2 black and chrome one), TC, T4. 2,8/24, 3,5/28 not MC and MC, 1,8/40, 1,4/50, 1,7/50 MC and not MC, 1,8/85, 3,2/135, 3,5/135, 4/200
Minolta XG9 2,8/35, 2/45, 3,5/135
Nikkormat FTn 1,4/50, 2,8/135
Fujica ST 801, 605, 705n. 3,5/19, 1,4/50, 1,8/55, 4/85, 3,5/135.
Praktica MTL 5 and a lot of M42 lenses.
Voigtlander. Bessamatic m, bessamatix de luxe, bessamatic cs, ultramatic and ultramatic cs.
Skoparex 3,5/35, skopagon 2/40, skopar 2,8/50, skopar X 2,8/50, super lanthar (out of catalogue) 2,8/50, dinarex 3,4/90, dinarex 4,8/100, super dinarex 4/135, super dinarex 4/200, zoomar 2,8/36-83, portrait lens 0, 1 and 2. Curtagon 4/28 and 2,8/35
Canon AV1, 1,8/50
Rolleiflex SL35 and SL35 E. 2,8/35 angulon, 2,8/35 distagon, 1,4/55 rolleinar, 1,8/50 planar, 4/135 tessar, 2,8/135 rolleinar, x2 rollei, M42 to rollei adap.
Etc.
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Yashica Minister III
Voightlander Vito, vitomatic I, Vito C, etc.
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voe
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: |
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voe wrote:
For those who are interested in f/2.8 shots, I already took them but did not post them earlier, so here they are now:
MC Pentacon 50mm f1.8 @f2.8
Pentax 50mm f1.7 @f2.8
MC Pentacon 50mm f1.8 @f2.8
Mamiya Sekor 55mm f1.8 @2.8
Mamiya Sekor 50mm f2 @f2.8
Helios-77M @2.8
Helios-44-2 @f2.8
I notice that at f/2.8 the Helios-44-2 has the roundest bokeh among the rest of the faster (f/2 and faster) lenses and that's because of the 8 blades aperture. But other than that I don't see much difference, except for the Volna-9 which more and more is becoming my favorite lens for bokeh shots. |
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Richard_D
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Richard_D wrote:
Yes the volna has the edge, but there's not a bad performer amongst them...
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Nikkors: 20mm f2.8 AIS, 24mm f2.8 AIS, 28mm f2.8 AIS, 35mm f2 AIS, 50mm f1.4 AI, 50mm f1.48AI, 50m f2 AI,
55mm f3.5 AI'd, 105mm f4 AI, 135mm f2.8 AI'd, 135mm f3.5 AI'd, 200mm f4 AI'd .
Nikon E Series: 100mm f2.8 .
Soviet Nikon Mount: Zenitar 16mm f2.8, Arsat/arax/photex 85mm T&S f2.8 .
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DSLR: Nikon D700. 35mm SLRsNikon FE, Pentax S1a.
TLR: Rolliecord II.
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voe
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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voe wrote:
I posted some photos from today's outing with Volna-9 in the Gallery.
http://forum.mflenses.com/viewtopic,p,72732.html |
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