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montecarlo
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montecarlo wrote:
Hello and wellcome.
I'm not an expert of these two lenses (I had the second one - the AUTO but without MC - it was a little less better that the other two 135mm lens I own: Tair-11A and Porst MC 2.8/135, so I sold it), but the first one, the preset version I think its better and WOW, looks great being in perfect condition !
The AUTO MC version you can be found more often but the first one, in that condition is harder to get.
I think would be better to hear more opinions though.
Anyway good luck.
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peterqd wrote:
Hi, it depends upoon what you're looking for.
The first one is the older, single coated version with 15 blade preset diaphragm - it's basically a rebadged Meyer Orestor with an updated barrel design over the older zebra pattern. The second one is the more recent multi-coated version with auto 6 blade diaphragm. Neither version is extremely sharp, but the preset has better bokeh highlights and the MC has slightly better contrast.
Personally I'd choose the first one as the preset aperture is a delight to use. However if you want sharpness, in this price range (although one stop slower) the Jupiter 37A, Tair 11, CZJ MC S 3.5/135/ or Super- or SMC Takumar 3.5/135 are all better.
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
You can't go wrong with any of them, as Peter described above that is the difference. You can see sample with both lenses in mflenses.com/gallery.
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Flor27
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Flor27 wrote:
Neither are sharpness ?
Done with Pentacon auto 135/2.8 with scratched front coating :
http://flor27.free.fr/forums/pentacon_mc_135_2.8/IMG_0212.JPG
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Compare with other good 135mm lenses this is less sharp even your sample.
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Attila wrote:
Nice to see your here Carlo!
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carlo saarland
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carlo saarland wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| as Peter described above that is the difference. You can see sample with both lenses in mflenses.com/gallery. |
trully, now it's even getting harder for me to make a decision..
then both lenses have a bit different charackter.
I heard somewhere, this lens are famous as the bokeh monster..
as a hobby photographer i would take the first one
as a collector i would take the second one, then it's an old brand new stock.. totaly in perfect condition..
and i'm both of them .. haha
attila, if you were me, what would you do ? 1st or 2nd ?
anyway thanks guys for advices ...
i gues i still have few days to think it out .. |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
In this finish, pre-set lens is lot more rare I take this one and later I also buy another one (MC) that is a common lens.
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peterqd
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| In this finish, pre-set lens is lot more rare I take this one and later I also buy another one (MC) that is a common lens. |
Me too! 
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carlo saarland
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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carlo saarland wrote:
| Attila wrote: |
| In this finish, pre-set lens is lot more rare I take this one and later I also buy another one (MC) that is a common lens. |
 also the pre-set version .... |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Cool ! I wish you luck! I have 5 pcs at least from MC , but from this finish only one!
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IvanJ
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IvanJ wrote:
I would take the older, 15-bladed one. I have MC Auto electric Pentacon 200/4 in mint condition and while it is very decent in image quality department, it is not astonishing. I was very dissapointed to see only 6 aperture blades (I made a deal with a friend to buy it from him before I knew newer versions have common apertures).
then again...if no one bids on that 0.99$ new one, it's not a loss to grab it
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carlo saarland
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carlo saarland wrote:
Holly S**T , i loosed the auction.. although i have bidded 100 dollar on it ....  |
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Attila
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Attila wrote:
Next ones comes from same seller if I remember as well.
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carlo saarland
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carlo saarland wrote:
yes rite.. exactly the same seller.
now they have 3 good lenses .. (if i'm not wrong)
MEYER-OPTIK ORESTOR 135/2.8
SCHNEIDER KREUZNACH TELE XENAR 135/3.5
PENTACON 135/2.8 PreSET
gonna keep on eye on them ... |
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Attila wrote:
Both are promising lenses I hope you able to get right one.
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Helios
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Helios wrote:
Peter gave the essential about these lenses . I own the whole range from Orestor and Pentacon preset's to the last electric mc 's (4 versions) . They are not at the top of mf 135's , but the clear winners in this range are the preset's with the famous 15 blades diaph . However , under $30 , the automatics are very good value for the money .
I have the Tele-Xenar , and I can say it is at bit under the level of Jena Sonnar 3,5/135 . Under the Smc Takumar 3,5. Great name but not the best of my "collection" . J-11 and j-37 show more contrast and color saturation .
Here : Meyer Orestor 2,8/135 preset . Pentax DSLR , f4-f/5,6 . Iso 800 , shadow
I like to use this lens. |
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Attila wrote:
Pretty unbeatable in portrait action as we can see on this photo, my favorite lens too.
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der_lockere
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: newbie: Help needed |
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der_lockere wrote:
Hi Folks!
I would need some expertise from your side.
I have realized that the Pre-Set versionof this lens is the better one regarding the Bokeh, but I do not know how to recopgnize it!?
here is one MC version:
Click here to see on Ebay ebay number: 140273940282
and I do not know which one is this:
Click here to see on Ebay ebay number: 140272757885
If you could tell me if hte latter one is the Pre-Set version I can watch out!
Thanks, S. |
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Attila
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: newbie: Help needed |
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Attila wrote:
| der_lockere wrote: |
Hi Folks!
I would need some expertise from your side.
I have realized that the Pre-Set versionof this lens is the better one regarding the Bokeh, but I do not know how to recopgnize it!?
here is one MC version:
Click here to see on Ebay
and I do not know which one is this:
Click here to see on Ebay
If you could tell me if hte latter one is the Pre-Set version I can watch out!
Thanks, S. |
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Attila
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
Second one is latest pre-set , not that what you looking for.
You should look with zebra stripes labeled with Pentacon.
http://www.mflenses.com/gallery/v/german/pentacon/pentacon_135mm_f2_8_zebra/
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peterqd
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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peterqd wrote:
Hang on! The first one is the MC Auto version with 6 blade diaphragm. The second one is the last of the pre-set designs but still has the 15 blade diaphragm. It's the same optics as the zebra Oreston but with a modernised barrel and maybe better coatings. I'd definitely go for this one.
The way to distinguish them is that the pre-set version has the aperture dial near the front of the lens, on the auto version it is near the mount. Here's a pic showing the two different pre-set versions:
http://m42.artlimited.net/lens_detail.php?lid=68
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Helios
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Helios wrote:
Here is an old orestor 15 blades diaph ... If nobody want it , i'll bid on it (2nd copy for me ) 
I'm quite sure it will not reach 20€ .... Wait until the last 15minutes ...
Click here to see on Ebay |
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Attila
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Attila wrote:
| peterqd wrote: |
Hang on! The first one is the MC Auto version with 6 blade diaphragm. The second one is the last of the pre-set designs but still has the 15 blade diaphragm. It's the same optics as the zebra Oreston but with a modernised barrel and maybe better coatings. I'd definitely go for this one.
The way to distinguish them is that the pre-set version has the aperture dial near the front of the lens, on the auto version it is near the mount. Here's a pic showing the two different pre-set versions:
http://m42.artlimited.net/lens_detail.php?lid=68 |
I have all version from this lens , best one what I suggested. Labeled Pentacon with zebra stripes.
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